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		By: Trout Bum		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/07/police-response-time-gun-control-and-the-end-of-civilization/#comment-19314</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 04:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am an NRA member and have my concealed carry permit for my state which is also recognized in Oklahoma, though I do not live there.  I have a problem with government infringing on my Constitutional Right to bear arms.  It is not about hunting, though I do hunt, it not about being in the outdoors though I do fly fish in some remote places where we are not on the top of the food chain.  In the outdoors I do sometimes open care but not often.   Again it is for protection.  I have only pulled my gun once in the outdoors and that was because a mountain lion was saying hello in a very loud voice.   I quick left the area, never fired a shot.  The Second Amendment is about protecting the people of this country, not the politicians.  I don’t think our founders would recognize the country they founded with a government that controls and taxes us into servitude.
Should we only have the privilege of free speech if we don&#039;t offend someone with what we say?  And should we limit it to just speech only, not broadcasting, print, drawing, art or TV?   Just speech without amplification? 
I do not like the idea of open carry. Why let the bad guy or girl know you are carrying.  I do carry a pistol most of the time and have thought long and hard about when I would use it. Only if I or my loved ones were in imminent life threatening danger at the hands of some criminal would I use my weapon.  I am not John Wayne or a police officer. Let’s say I am in a restaurant and someone comes in to rob it.  I would not intervene.  I carry for my protection and my loved ones protection.  Funny how most of the celebrity types have paid body guard who are armed to the teeth.  The mayor of NY has a security detail and the former mayor of Chicago has a security detail even after he left office.
  As for police it seems to me that most cops spend their time writing traffic tickets.   Hiring more cops who get to retire after 20 years or at age 50 at some crazy pension level has broke the budgets or many towns and cities.  Don’t you love it when they retire and then go to work for a security firm or the feds?  I wish someone would figure out how it took the cops twenty minutes to response to the event mentioned in the story.   I estimate there were at least 3 cops on duty in Blanchard that night.  There web site says they have 21 full or part-time officers.    Something doesn’t add up.

 Just look at what has happened in Great Britain.  You cannot even protect yourself or your family or your home.   You are right most of us who own and legally carry with thank God never ever have to pull them or use them.  I try to avoid any confrontation or areas that may be questionable.    But as they say bad things happen to good people in nice places.  I like to be prepared.  Just in case Sierra Hotel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an NRA member and have my concealed carry permit for my state which is also recognized in Oklahoma, though I do not live there.  I have a problem with government infringing on my Constitutional Right to bear arms.  It is not about hunting, though I do hunt, it not about being in the outdoors though I do fly fish in some remote places where we are not on the top of the food chain.  In the outdoors I do sometimes open care but not often.   Again it is for protection.  I have only pulled my gun once in the outdoors and that was because a mountain lion was saying hello in a very loud voice.   I quick left the area, never fired a shot.  The Second Amendment is about protecting the people of this country, not the politicians.  I don’t think our founders would recognize the country they founded with a government that controls and taxes us into servitude.<br />
Should we only have the privilege of free speech if we don&#8217;t offend someone with what we say?  And should we limit it to just speech only, not broadcasting, print, drawing, art or TV?   Just speech without amplification?<br />
I do not like the idea of open carry. Why let the bad guy or girl know you are carrying.  I do carry a pistol most of the time and have thought long and hard about when I would use it. Only if I or my loved ones were in imminent life threatening danger at the hands of some criminal would I use my weapon.  I am not John Wayne or a police officer. Let’s say I am in a restaurant and someone comes in to rob it.  I would not intervene.  I carry for my protection and my loved ones protection.  Funny how most of the celebrity types have paid body guard who are armed to the teeth.  The mayor of NY has a security detail and the former mayor of Chicago has a security detail even after he left office.<br />
  As for police it seems to me that most cops spend their time writing traffic tickets.   Hiring more cops who get to retire after 20 years or at age 50 at some crazy pension level has broke the budgets or many towns and cities.  Don’t you love it when they retire and then go to work for a security firm or the feds?  I wish someone would figure out how it took the cops twenty minutes to response to the event mentioned in the story.   I estimate there were at least 3 cops on duty in Blanchard that night.  There web site says they have 21 full or part-time officers.    Something doesn’t add up.</p>
<p> Just look at what has happened in Great Britain.  You cannot even protect yourself or your family or your home.   You are right most of us who own and legally carry with thank God never ever have to pull them or use them.  I try to avoid any confrontation or areas that may be questionable.    But as they say bad things happen to good people in nice places.  I like to be prepared.  Just in case Sierra Hotel.</p>
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		By: Francisco Bacopa		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/07/police-response-time-gun-control-and-the-end-of-civilization/#comment-19313</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 00:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A few years ago there had been two failed attempts to steal my car stereo. Yes I have a hood-thumper with connectors for a sub-woofer. The first attempt failed when the thief threaded tree limb cutting wire around the hood latch and promptly cut his hands open, bleeding all over my hood and bumper. At first I worried that I had somehow gotten blackout drunk and gone for a drive and killed someone, but no my bottle of Evan Williams was still pretty full. Then I noticed the blood on the sidewalk and noticed the wire. Called police and said I needed to file a theft report. Response time, one hour. 

Second attempt was two months later. Broke out the grill slats, no blood and no wire. Filed a second report. Response time, one hour and ten minutes. Ordered a shamboks online as it is the weapon that causes the most amount of pain with the lowest risk of killing or crippling. Camped out on the futon in the front room just five feet away from the cars. First with my sword, then with my shamboks which arrived two days later. 

The next day I hear glass breaking and peek through the blinds and see a dude set a gar two cars over from mine on fire. I keep my lights off and call 911 to report an arson. Leave the lights off and watch car burn, for a few minutes. I get a call from an arson detective seven minutes later. I tell him what I saw and advise him that I will not talk to any police who show up on scene, but that I will gladly talk to him in person. I did not want to be seen talking to the police anymore than anyone else was. As the fire burned the car&#039;s lights and horn came on. About a minute later a tire blew out. I felt it was safe to turn the lights on in my apartment at that point. 

One patrol car, response time 11 minutes, and two fire trucks, response time 12 min, showed up. Arson team showed up 17 minutes from my call and videotaped the fire being put out. The arson team and one of the regular cops knocked on my door. I said: &quot;You can write in your report that I called 911 when I heard the horn honking and woke up to see the fire. That&#039;s a lie, but you can talk to detective M at Arson to get the truth. I do not want it to seem like I know more than anyone else, so please leave me alone.&quot; They scribbled in their notepads and left. Nothing ever came of the investigation. Arsonist skipped town. 

Still if it had been my car being broken into, it woul;d have been shamboks first and 911 later. You do have to say the response time was very good. 

Interestingly, there are more regulations on knives and other edged weapons than there are on guns. There&#039;s no way I could get away with openly carrying a sword of a shamboks in Texas, but I could get a permit to pack a Glock if I wanted to. Seems kind of weird. Guns OK, but a Bowie knife outside your home is a misdemeanor. Don&#039;t we remember the Alamo?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago there had been two failed attempts to steal my car stereo. Yes I have a hood-thumper with connectors for a sub-woofer. The first attempt failed when the thief threaded tree limb cutting wire around the hood latch and promptly cut his hands open, bleeding all over my hood and bumper. At first I worried that I had somehow gotten blackout drunk and gone for a drive and killed someone, but no my bottle of Evan Williams was still pretty full. Then I noticed the blood on the sidewalk and noticed the wire. Called police and said I needed to file a theft report. Response time, one hour. </p>
<p>Second attempt was two months later. Broke out the grill slats, no blood and no wire. Filed a second report. Response time, one hour and ten minutes. Ordered a shamboks online as it is the weapon that causes the most amount of pain with the lowest risk of killing or crippling. Camped out on the futon in the front room just five feet away from the cars. First with my sword, then with my shamboks which arrived two days later. </p>
<p>The next day I hear glass breaking and peek through the blinds and see a dude set a gar two cars over from mine on fire. I keep my lights off and call 911 to report an arson. Leave the lights off and watch car burn, for a few minutes. I get a call from an arson detective seven minutes later. I tell him what I saw and advise him that I will not talk to any police who show up on scene, but that I will gladly talk to him in person. I did not want to be seen talking to the police anymore than anyone else was. As the fire burned the car&#8217;s lights and horn came on. About a minute later a tire blew out. I felt it was safe to turn the lights on in my apartment at that point. </p>
<p>One patrol car, response time 11 minutes, and two fire trucks, response time 12 min, showed up. Arson team showed up 17 minutes from my call and videotaped the fire being put out. The arson team and one of the regular cops knocked on my door. I said: &#8220;You can write in your report that I called 911 when I heard the horn honking and woke up to see the fire. That&#8217;s a lie, but you can talk to detective M at Arson to get the truth. I do not want it to seem like I know more than anyone else, so please leave me alone.&#8221; They scribbled in their notepads and left. Nothing ever came of the investigation. Arsonist skipped town. </p>
<p>Still if it had been my car being broken into, it woul;d have been shamboks first and 911 later. You do have to say the response time was very good. </p>
<p>Interestingly, there are more regulations on knives and other edged weapons than there are on guns. There&#8217;s no way I could get away with openly carrying a sword of a shamboks in Texas, but I could get a permit to pack a Glock if I wanted to. Seems kind of weird. Guns OK, but a Bowie knife outside your home is a misdemeanor. Don&#8217;t we remember the Alamo?</p>
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		By: Giliell, the woman who said Good-bye to Kitty		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/07/police-response-time-gun-control-and-the-end-of-civilization/#comment-19312</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 21:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Headshaking foreigner voicing an opinion:

Get your police funded.
Get it re-organized
Relax
Reading all the comments about &quot;I need to protect my loved ones&quot;, I doubt that unless you live in a very bad part of town, it really is that bad.
I&#039;m a part-time single mum, meaning that I spend 5 out of 7 nights alone at home with my children. Most of the time, I don&#039;t even lock my door and I&#039;m not living in the best part of town.
I&#039;m not afraid. I&#039;m not taking risks with the lives of my children. I know that driving them to their grandma is indeed riskier than leaving the door unlocked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Headshaking foreigner voicing an opinion:</p>
<p>Get your police funded.<br />
Get it re-organized<br />
Relax<br />
Reading all the comments about &#8220;I need to protect my loved ones&#8221;, I doubt that unless you live in a very bad part of town, it really is that bad.<br />
I&#8217;m a part-time single mum, meaning that I spend 5 out of 7 nights alone at home with my children. Most of the time, I don&#8217;t even lock my door and I&#8217;m not living in the best part of town.<br />
I&#8217;m not afraid. I&#8217;m not taking risks with the lives of my children. I know that driving them to their grandma is indeed riskier than leaving the door unlocked.</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/07/police-response-time-gun-control-and-the-end-of-civilization/#comment-19311</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[First you post this and then we get this : 

http://freethoughtblogs.com/xblog/2012/01/07/report-suspicious-behavior/ 

where an incident that you&#039;d think would be a priority call takes wa-aay too long to get attended to.  Hmmm .. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Central to this meme is the idea that the police a) won’t arrive at your home for a very long time after you’ve called them and b) the police are not even required to go to your home if you call them. (I’ll deal with the first, but not second of these here.) &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To the second of those : What the .. ! 

Is that *really* the case? Because it isn&#039;t what I&#039;d have thought for sure. I&#039;d have expected that if you call them asking for police help to prevent or report a crime then the police were pretty much legally as well as ethically obliged to come to your aid as their job description.

Is that not so? 

(Okay if they have other higher priorities it may take a while but at some stage, surely?)

I hope you do go on to address that issue later in aanother post soon. Please?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First you post this and then we get this : </p>
<p><a href="http://freethoughtblogs.com/xblog/2012/01/07/report-suspicious-behavior/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://freethoughtblogs.com/xblog/2012/01/07/report-suspicious-behavior/</a> </p>
<p>where an incident that you&#8217;d think would be a priority call takes wa-aay too long to get attended to.  Hmmm .. </p>
<blockquote><p>Central to this meme is the idea that the police a) won’t arrive at your home for a very long time after you’ve called them and b) the police are not even required to go to your home if you call them. (I’ll deal with the first, but not second of these here.) </p></blockquote>
<p>To the second of those : What the .. ! </p>
<p>Is that *really* the case? Because it isn&#8217;t what I&#8217;d have thought for sure. I&#8217;d have expected that if you call them asking for police help to prevent or report a crime then the police were pretty much legally as well as ethically obliged to come to your aid as their job description.</p>
<p>Is that not so? </p>
<p>(Okay if they have other higher priorities it may take a while but at some stage, surely?)</p>
<p>I hope you do go on to address that issue later in aanother post soon. Please?</p>
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		By: kathyorlinsky		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/07/police-response-time-gun-control-and-the-end-of-civilization/#comment-19310</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 06:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;I agree that it is state and local tax shortfalls that are the main problem.&quot;&gt; 

I&#039;d like to refuse to vote for anyone who promises not to ever raise taxes.  Unfortunately, I don&#039;t think that leaves me too many choices.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="I agree that it is state and local tax shortfalls that are the main problem.">
<p>I&#8217;d like to refuse to vote for anyone who promises not to ever raise taxes.  Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t think that leaves me too many choices.</p></blockquote>
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		By: george.w		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/07/police-response-time-gun-control-and-the-end-of-civilization/#comment-19309</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t help wondering if the assumption is being made that gun ownership confers a stragegic advantage on the homeowner. Perhaps it does &lt;em&gt;if: &lt;/em&gt;
1. The homeowner has training,
2. The intruder does not surprise the homeowner where the gun is not accessible,
3. The intruder is not similarly armed, or if he is, 
4. The homeowner, Han Solo style, shoots first.

Start with the total number of cases where the homeowner must confront an intruder. Subtract the instances where the ordinary-person homeowner gets the &quot;drop&quot; on the intruder, who is likely more experienced at violence than the homeowner. Compare the remaining number to cases where homeowners harm themselves or a loved one is harmed by the gun for whatever reason. The difference between those two figures would be a better basis of discussion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help wondering if the assumption is being made that gun ownership confers a stragegic advantage on the homeowner. Perhaps it does <em>if: </em><br />
1. The homeowner has training,<br />
2. The intruder does not surprise the homeowner where the gun is not accessible,<br />
3. The intruder is not similarly armed, or if he is,<br />
4. The homeowner, Han Solo style, shoots first.</p>
<p>Start with the total number of cases where the homeowner must confront an intruder. Subtract the instances where the ordinary-person homeowner gets the &#8220;drop&#8221; on the intruder, who is likely more experienced at violence than the homeowner. Compare the remaining number to cases where homeowners harm themselves or a loved one is harmed by the gun for whatever reason. The difference between those two figures would be a better basis of discussion.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/07/police-response-time-gun-control-and-the-end-of-civilization/#comment-19308</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[unbound: Your BIL&#039;s department is underfunded and the people of his community have let him down, I&#039;ll bet, by demanding that they don&#039;t pay taxes!  

We are not in disagreement about how busy police may be on a given force.  But I am saying that this is something that can be adjusted.  I have not yet drunk the Kool-Aid that nothing can change when it comes to essential services because no-tax policies have become permanent and fundamental to our way of life.

We pay for our public education via referenda, we pay too little for police protection and have mayhem in certain places and times.  In some cases, the fire departments have been underfunded and homes have burned down.  

I agree that it is state and local tax shortfalls that are the main problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unbound: Your BIL&#8217;s department is underfunded and the people of his community have let him down, I&#8217;ll bet, by demanding that they don&#8217;t pay taxes!  </p>
<p>We are not in disagreement about how busy police may be on a given force.  But I am saying that this is something that can be adjusted.  I have not yet drunk the Kool-Aid that nothing can change when it comes to essential services because no-tax policies have become permanent and fundamental to our way of life.</p>
<p>We pay for our public education via referenda, we pay too little for police protection and have mayhem in certain places and times.  In some cases, the fire departments have been underfunded and homes have burned down.  </p>
<p>I agree that it is state and local tax shortfalls that are the main problem.</p>
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		By: crowepps		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/07/police-response-time-gun-control-and-the-end-of-civilization/#comment-19307</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 03:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An additional problem with adding police officers is that it very expensive to put them through the Academy and provide their equipment.  An additional officer also means uniforms, body armor, weapons, laptop, police car, radio, in-car equipment and insurance.  It not like the old days where all that was necessary was a uniform and a nightstick and start walking the streets.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An additional problem with adding police officers is that it very expensive to put them through the Academy and provide their equipment.  An additional officer also means uniforms, body armor, weapons, laptop, police car, radio, in-car equipment and insurance.  It not like the old days where all that was necessary was a uniform and a nightstick and start walking the streets.</p>
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		By: unbound		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2012/01/07/police-response-time-gun-control-and-the-end-of-civilization/#comment-19306</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 02:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, I do have to disagree with you a bit.  Having a brother-in-law that is a captain of a local police department, his officers are actually doing something most of the time...in fact, my brother-in-laws most common complaint is figuring out how to give his police officers reasonable breaks.  Perhaps this isn&#039;t the case in all areas, but it is certainly very different than the wait and bolt requirements of the fire department (my nephew is a fire fighter in the busiest station in his city, so I&#039;m aware of what he has to deal with as well).

Keep in mind my comment regarding crying &quot;Wolf&quot;.  A police officer sitting at a speed trap isn&#039;t going to jump at every call...hence the judgement call aspect of their response.  I&#039;ve been in a police car when calls have come in and the officer stayed on his patrol because the call that came in (it wasn&#039;t directed at a specific officer / car) didn&#039;t seem to any more important than potentially snagging a reckless driver.  And I would call your example a bit of a strawman argument (of course a police officer is going to dump a minor traffic ticket in favor of something serious).

With the various cuts across state and local forces (since raising taxes to pay for such things is a strict no-no), police departments get hit too.  Being short a few fire fighters rarely has any impact to their response times, but being short a few police officers that are always out and about definitely has an impact on response time...and has already (and will continue to) increased the odds that you are asking the police officers to drop one emergency situation in favor of a different emergency situation.

Ultimately, I do think the cuts of local and state government funds is the largest culprit in the described problem.  That is the unfortunate problem with your (correct) solution of adding police officers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, I do have to disagree with you a bit.  Having a brother-in-law that is a captain of a local police department, his officers are actually doing something most of the time&#8230;in fact, my brother-in-laws most common complaint is figuring out how to give his police officers reasonable breaks.  Perhaps this isn&#8217;t the case in all areas, but it is certainly very different than the wait and bolt requirements of the fire department (my nephew is a fire fighter in the busiest station in his city, so I&#8217;m aware of what he has to deal with as well).</p>
<p>Keep in mind my comment regarding crying &#8220;Wolf&#8221;.  A police officer sitting at a speed trap isn&#8217;t going to jump at every call&#8230;hence the judgement call aspect of their response.  I&#8217;ve been in a police car when calls have come in and the officer stayed on his patrol because the call that came in (it wasn&#8217;t directed at a specific officer / car) didn&#8217;t seem to any more important than potentially snagging a reckless driver.  And I would call your example a bit of a strawman argument (of course a police officer is going to dump a minor traffic ticket in favor of something serious).</p>
<p>With the various cuts across state and local forces (since raising taxes to pay for such things is a strict no-no), police departments get hit too.  Being short a few fire fighters rarely has any impact to their response times, but being short a few police officers that are always out and about definitely has an impact on response time&#8230;and has already (and will continue to) increased the odds that you are asking the police officers to drop one emergency situation in favor of a different emergency situation.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I do think the cuts of local and state government funds is the largest culprit in the described problem.  That is the unfortunate problem with your (correct) solution of adding police officers.</p>
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		By: jrock		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 02:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see someone already beat me to that particular point. As far as adding cops goes, that would require a tax increase, wouldn&#039;t it? Not that an increase in taxes for increased police response bothers me all that much, but is that a politically feasible reality with all the &quot;I&#039;m being taxed to death&quot; crowd? 

Plus, if cops are often doing nothing then how would a political leader justify adding police? &quot;Folks, I know crime is down nationwide, but I need more of your money to make sure that what happens in Oklahoma, which might be an outlier when it comes to response times, doesn&#039;t happen here.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see someone already beat me to that particular point. As far as adding cops goes, that would require a tax increase, wouldn&#8217;t it? Not that an increase in taxes for increased police response bothers me all that much, but is that a politically feasible reality with all the &#8220;I&#8217;m being taxed to death&#8221; crowd? </p>
<p>Plus, if cops are often doing nothing then how would a political leader justify adding police? &#8220;Folks, I know crime is down nationwide, but I need more of your money to make sure that what happens in Oklahoma, which might be an outlier when it comes to response times, doesn&#8217;t happen here.&#8221;</p>
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