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		By: 5. vladimir nabokov, lolita - annabel, lee, chess, problem, cliche ...		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;The expression often used by Mr. Herbert Spencer of the Survival of the Fittest is more accurate, and is sometimes equally convenient....&lt;/strong&gt;

The struggle for existence....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The expression often used by Mr. Herbert Spencer of the Survival of the Fittest is more accurate, and is sometimes equally convenient&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>The struggle for existence&#8230;.</p>
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		By: The Damage Richard Dawkins Did &#124; The X Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Damage Richard Dawkins Did &#124; The X Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 21:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] And now, the final installment in this series of posts (the previous installment is here). [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] And now, the final installment in this series of posts (the previous installment is here). [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Calibrating and Recalibrating Sex Positiveness &#124; The X Blog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 21:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] now, on to the next part in this series: Knowing when to shut up! Share this:StumbleUponPrintFacebookEmailDiggReddit   Posted in Feminism, Sexism, Sexuality, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] now, on to the next part in this series: Knowing when to shut up! Share this:StumbleUponPrintFacebookEmailDiggReddit   Posted in Feminism, Sexism, Sexuality, [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Munkhaus, I promise to add all the things you want me to do to my list of things to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Munkhaus, I promise to add all the things you want me to do to my list of things to do.</p>
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		By: Munkhaus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Munkhaus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Greg,
&quot;friends of mine are being told that this or that person would like to “kick them in the cunt”?

Someone called Marilove at Skepchick posted :
&quot;If this was a real life conversation, you would have already been kicked in the nuts for being a condescending, rude asshole.&quot;
I trust you&#039;ll be condemning that sexual violence threat too, to be consistent like.
(PS have you apologised for calling Steff McGraw a rape apologist yet, you nasty little man?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Greg,<br />
&#8220;friends of mine are being told that this or that person would like to “kick them in the cunt”?</p>
<p>Someone called Marilove at Skepchick posted :<br />
&#8220;If this was a real life conversation, you would have already been kicked in the nuts for being a condescending, rude asshole.&#8221;<br />
I trust you&#8217;ll be condemning that sexual violence threat too, to be consistent like.<br />
(PS have you apologised for calling Steff McGraw a rape apologist yet, you nasty little man?)</p>
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		By: phillydoug		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillydoug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regin Smiður: &quot;Doug, what exactly makes you think I’m a misogynist? Disagreeing with you?&quot;

Don&#039;t remember an exchange with someone using the moniker you chose; I was referring to someone who called themselves &#039;Horsa&#039;, who among other things, took my invitation to discuss his actual &quot;relationships with women, and attitudes towards them&quot;, to regale us with an anecdote about a &#039;MILF&quot; he met. In a thread about the vicious, sexualized and demeaning treatment of women via the internet. Charming.

Now, if you&#039;re that same Horsa, well, I call you a misogynist because you show yourself to be one. 

If on the other hand, you&#039;re not Horsa, but someone who thinks Horsa has been unfairly targeted for unpopular views, I&#039;m wagering you&#039;re also a misgynist, but you could be just disoriented, since you seem to think I was referring to you, when I have no idea who you are. Enlighten me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regin Smiður: &#8220;Doug, what exactly makes you think I’m a misogynist? Disagreeing with you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t remember an exchange with someone using the moniker you chose; I was referring to someone who called themselves &#8216;Horsa&#8217;, who among other things, took my invitation to discuss his actual &#8220;relationships with women, and attitudes towards them&#8221;, to regale us with an anecdote about a &#8216;MILF&#8221; he met. In a thread about the vicious, sexualized and demeaning treatment of women via the internet. Charming.</p>
<p>Now, if you&#8217;re that same Horsa, well, I call you a misogynist because you show yourself to be one. </p>
<p>If on the other hand, you&#8217;re not Horsa, but someone who thinks Horsa has been unfairly targeted for unpopular views, I&#8217;m wagering you&#8217;re also a misgynist, but you could be just disoriented, since you seem to think I was referring to you, when I have no idea who you are. Enlighten me.</p>
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		By: phillydoug		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillydoug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sjurður: &quot;But if you do that against a target unapproved for “freethought” here, you get muzzled.&quot;

Can&#039;t say this was the clearest sentence I ever read, but I gather you&#039;re charging Greg with suppressing the comments of those who espouse certain points of view, presumably points of view that he dislikes, or are contrary to his own, or perhaps he singles out those who criticize him. 

And yet your comments, and those of Chris Willets, are allowed. 

Logic much? 

But keep up the fight for freedom against the forces of darkness! That is how you see youself, right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sjurður: &#8220;But if you do that against a target unapproved for “freethought” here, you get muzzled.&#8221;</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t say this was the clearest sentence I ever read, but I gather you&#8217;re charging Greg with suppressing the comments of those who espouse certain points of view, presumably points of view that he dislikes, or are contrary to his own, or perhaps he singles out those who criticize him. </p>
<p>And yet your comments, and those of Chris Willets, are allowed. </p>
<p>Logic much? </p>
<p>But keep up the fight for freedom against the forces of darkness! That is how you see youself, right?</p>
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		By: phillydoug		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phillydoug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg: &quot;our friend Horsa started to get out of hand, so I tossed his “name” on the moderation list, and this caused him to start posting innane comments in using other names and other methods&quot;

Do I get to take any credit for getting Horsa to reveal himself in his full glory? 

That&#039;s really why I&#039;m here, to take credit for things. That and getting misogynists fired up by tricking them into reading bell hooks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg: &#8220;our friend Horsa started to get out of hand, so I tossed his “name” on the moderation list, and this caused him to start posting innane comments in using other names and other methods&#8221;</p>
<p>Do I get to take any credit for getting Horsa to reveal himself in his full glory? </p>
<p>That&#8217;s really why I&#8217;m here, to take credit for things. That and getting misogynists fired up by tricking them into reading bell hooks.</p>
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		By: julian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[julian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Horsa makes scores of off topic comments, insults the blog host and his friends, acts like a general jerk and gets put on moderation temporarily to stem the tide of o/t. This does not sit well with hir so xe tries to spam via sockpuppets. Finally this last action gets him banned (as it would almost anywhere) and this is cited by Chris Willet as censorship.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horsa makes scores of off topic comments, insults the blog host and his friends, acts like a general jerk and gets put on moderation temporarily to stem the tide of o/t. This does not sit well with hir so xe tries to spam via sockpuppets. Finally this last action gets him banned (as it would almost anywhere) and this is cited by Chris Willet as censorship.</p>
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		By: Dunc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dunc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Censorship at freethoughtblogs.com?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. Censorship and moderation are not even remotely the same thing, and the fact that so many people insist on confusing them is merely an illustration of how little censorship there actually is.

When the government shuts down your own blog because of what you&#039;ve posted there, or makes a deal with a major search engine to exclude all results containing certain keywords, &lt;i&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; censorship.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Censorship at freethoughtblogs.com?</p></blockquote>
<p>No. Censorship and moderation are not even remotely the same thing, and the fact that so many people insist on confusing them is merely an illustration of how little censorship there actually is.</p>
<p>When the government shuts down your own blog because of what you&#8217;ve posted there, or makes a deal with a major search engine to exclude all results containing certain keywords, <i>that&#8217;s</i> censorship.</p>
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