As to the tools comment are you for regulating the sale of ropes and knives as well? What about spoons since obesity is killing more americans than guns a year?

“Guns are not the cause of violence they are a tool which people use.”

Correct, and they are a tool that a lot of people should perhaps not have their hands on.

As to the strictness of the laws i purchased a gun this morning, and I am a valid concealed carry permit holder, I still had background checks and full paperwork done so there is no slackness in the law.

As far as criminals getting firearms if you disarm law abiding citezens you do nothing but make it easier for the criminals to function. THe so called black market will not go away if you take guns away it will only thrive, felons will not turn their guns in (the ones there not even supposed to have) they will keep them, and then we will have a government that tells its people that they no longer have a right to their sence of security. I for one would prefer to protect my family and have the right to protect my self.

There are societies in which the locker-system is implemented. I would like to see something like that happen until gun owners as a group demonstrate themselves able to handle this important responsibly. At this point, it has been demonstrated that they can not.

This is a stunning statement. Stunning enough, in fact, to make me wonder if you are orchestrating some sort of elaborate 2nd amendment Poe.

Either you are off your rocker, or you have no concept of what the purpose of concealed carry is. Should a women ask her assailant to pause, mid-assault, so that she can go retrieve her firearm from the police station? Laws do not protect people in situations where the other party has broken the social contract. If they did, the woman could merely remind her assailant that he is breaking the law and expect him to cease his attack. People are obligated to take reasonable measures to protect themselves, and legally obtained, legally licensed concealed weapons are reasonable. Whether or not we do enough to restrict criminal’s access to weapons is a whole other subject. If the illegal drug trade (just to name one example) isn’t enough of an example of how well laws limit the behavior of criminals, I’m not sure what argument you would accept.

“If the police were able to act the way they should be able to the random searches of felons would have turned up the ILLEGAL firearm.”

Why is the second amendment more important than the fourth amendment? I don’t think police should be randomly searching people without probable cause. Why not restrict felons at the point of purchase? Why not require gun shows to use the same background checks that gun shops must use? It just requires a computer and an Internet connection.

“As to the 2nd amendment the militia that is pointed out my every anti-firearm person is all of us. We have the right set by our for fathers to regulate the goverment. If said government goes astray we as citizens have the right to take up arms and basicaly hit reset and start over.”

The second amendment specifies a “well regulated militia”. I don’t think every American acting independently qualifies as well-regulated. If it’s okay to require special training and licensing to operate an automobile, why not require proper training for operators of firearms?

Certainly you, as a veteran, have excellent training and knowledge about the use and maintenance of firearms. I myself have taken a course and obtained a concealed carry permit in New Mexico. I paid a local gun shop and shooting range owner, a former DEA agent, for qualified training. I felt that was a reasonable amount of effort on my part in exchange for the legal permission to carry a concealed weapon. The training gave me confidence and skill I would not have otherwise had.

The fore-fathers gave us a way to regulate the government. It’s spelled out clearly in the several articles of the Constitution, not just in the second amendment. It involves a representative form of government and balance of powers.

To seriously regulate our government we need citizens to arm themselves with knowledge of the Constitution, arm themselves with knowledge of politics, arm themselves with knowledge of economics and policy, and to actively participate in government.

It would be tragic for us to abandon our responsibility to govern as We the People until things get so bad we have to start shooting at each other. Let’s hope it never comes to that.

Let’s first fully exercise our rights to govern by mutual consent and fully exhaust our ability to weigh various viewpoints, participate in reasoned dialog, and exercise our Constitutional responsibilities with mutual respect.

As to the 2nd amendment the militia that is pointed out my every anti-firearm person is all of us. We have the right set by our for fathers to regulate the goverment. If said government goes astray we as citizens have the right to take up arms and basicaly hit reset and start over. It is the anti-2nd amendment politians are in fear of this happening one day that want to do away with it.

I swore an oath to let protect everyones rights granted to them by the constitution and now i am worried that one of mine are going to be taken away.

Eventually, the NRA lobby will weaken and the restufus will become sufficiently annoyed that we can get rid of the second amendment.

There’s no predicting the far future. But you are long in tooth, and it won’t happen in this lifetime.

It has everything to do with it. In Minnesota only legally trained people who qualify are allowed to have a concealed weapon. He violated this law. (Of course we are assuming some facts we don’t have here but it works for the present argument.)

But yes, I get your point.

Interesting perspective on gun shows. Seems to me that is a huge problem.