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		By: James Chong		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/12/13/which-works-better-acupuncture/#comment-510311</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 03:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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In 2001, published Hendrik Sch..&#039;s scientific scandal can only fool you a year or 2. But not to the scientific facts and so as acupuncture. It can&#039;t fool you for 4610+ years long. simply because of languages barriers have mislead, . .

Below another evidence since EÂ² acupuncture science online.
S/He shop around and now Pain free, ..

from http://www.examiner.com/holistic-science-spirit-in-national/new-scientific-breakthrough-proves-why-acupuncture-works?fb_comment=16922196

Anonymous 1 week ago


I never thought acupunture worked, being a skeptic and never seeing any evidence, I had it once before and it didnt work for the condition I had. I recently reluctantly tried it on the urging of a friend at a free birthing clinic in a developing country. I found the acupuncturists to be very knowlegable about my condition which is Hashimotos. And they stuck the needles in deep this time, unlike the last time I had it. That was two months ago. I had been severedly fatigued everyday at the same time for a year without missing a day, and 24-48 hours after the treatment, I was not experiencing any fatigue. Its been 2 months without any fatigue, I would say it was either a miracle or it really does work. The quality may vary with practitioners I have guessed, make sure the needles go deep, you should feel a pressure feeling and a paralysis feeling. You will be unable to move for the duration of the treatment. Even while getting the treatment I was thinking this will not work!! And they moxibusted on the needles to, which gave off a lot of smoke, and I was even more skeptical, hating the idea of smoke for health. But by geez it worked, I still cant beleive it. There is so much we dont know, so much knowlege has been lost, just think of all the wars that are going on now, multiply that times 5,000 years and think of of all the things that were destroyed in the chaos. Hell, maybe god even exists....


For latest scientific facts update, please check/click on my site
https://sites.google.com/site/jameschongpainfree/


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 2001, published Hendrik Sch..&#8217;s scientific scandal can only fool you a year or 2. But not to the scientific facts and so as acupuncture. It can&#8217;t fool you for 4610+ years long. simply because of languages barriers have mislead, . .</p>
<p>Below another evidence since EÂ² acupuncture science online.<br />
S/He shop around and now Pain free, ..</p>
<p>from <a href="http://www.examiner.com/holistic-science-spirit-in-national/new-scientific-breakthrough-proves-why-acupuncture-works?fb_comment=16922196" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.examiner.com/holistic-science-spirit-in-national/new-scientific-breakthrough-proves-why-acupuncture-works?fb_comment=16922196</a></p>
<p>Anonymous 1 week ago</p>
<p>I never thought acupunture worked, being a skeptic and never seeing any evidence, I had it once before and it didnt work for the condition I had. I recently reluctantly tried it on the urging of a friend at a free birthing clinic in a developing country. I found the acupuncturists to be very knowlegable about my condition which is Hashimotos. And they stuck the needles in deep this time, unlike the last time I had it. That was two months ago. I had been severedly fatigued everyday at the same time for a year without missing a day, and 24-48 hours after the treatment, I was not experiencing any fatigue. Its been 2 months without any fatigue, I would say it was either a miracle or it really does work. The quality may vary with practitioners I have guessed, make sure the needles go deep, you should feel a pressure feeling and a paralysis feeling. You will be unable to move for the duration of the treatment. Even while getting the treatment I was thinking this will not work!! And they moxibusted on the needles to, which gave off a lot of smoke, and I was even more skeptical, hating the idea of smoke for health. But by geez it worked, I still cant beleive it. There is so much we dont know, so much knowlege has been lost, just think of all the wars that are going on now, multiply that times 5,000 years and think of of all the things that were destroyed in the chaos. Hell, maybe god even exists&#8230;.</p>
<p>For latest scientific facts update, please check/click on my site<br />
<a href="https://sites.google.com/site/jameschongpainfree/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://sites.google.com/site/jameschongpainfree/</a></p>
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		By: James Chong		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/12/13/which-works-better-acupuncture/#comment-510310</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Chong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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To all the natural medicine, &lt;b&gt;acupuncture supporters&lt;/b&gt; and the following sites
&lt;b&gt;google,
plantar-fasciitis.org,
pubarticle 
and many others
&lt;/b&gt;
especially this site &lt;b&gt;scienceblogs.&lt;/b&gt;

Have allowed me to provides you the Great truth scientific facts of this hidden 4,610 years old TCM Acupuncture practice.


For many perhaps thousand years of criticism such bad, death and voodoo acupuncture science. Now you got the scientific facts from 
https://sites.google.com/site/jameschongpainfree/

Donâ??t you think TCM Acupuncture deserve an apology into this scienceblogs 


&lt;b&gt;THANKS, merry Christmas to you all&lt;/b&gt;

James.&lt;br&gt;
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To all the natural medicine, <b>acupuncture supporters</b> and the following sites<br />
<b>google,<br />
plantar-fasciitis.org,<br />
pubarticle<br />
and many others<br />
</b><br />
especially this site <b>scienceblogs.</b></p>
<p>Have allowed me to provides you the Great truth scientific facts of this hidden 4,610 years old TCM Acupuncture practice.</p>
<p>For many perhaps thousand years of criticism such bad, death and voodoo acupuncture science. Now you got the scientific facts from<br />
<a href="https://sites.google.com/site/jameschongpainfree/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://sites.google.com/site/jameschongpainfree/</a></p>
<p>Donâ??t you think TCM Acupuncture deserve an apology into this scienceblogs </p>
<p><b>THANKS, merry Christmas to you all</b></p>
<p>James.</p>
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		By: rork		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/12/13/which-works-better-acupuncture/#comment-510309</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@23 &quot;If the purported mechanism is arrant nonsense clothed in gobbledegook, then, yes, we can be dismissive of it.&quot;
A bit too far there.  If there was smashing data that A causes B (or even just is correlated), we&#039;d continue to look for the mechanism.  Typically the situation is no reasonable mechanism AND no good data.

@27:  Yes, plants can contain useful drugs - modern medicine tries to take advantage of that.  Yes, physical exercise or therapy can be good. Limes can prevent scurvy too, is that alternative? That leaves only the acupuncture claim.  The given link is dead, though the phrase can be found on dozens of web sites with a profit motive.  The wikipedia article on acupuncture mentions it and it&#039;s problems.  Do jabs have physiological effects?  Sure.  So does Changa, massage, and my ancient but new version of burn-the-skin therapy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@23 &#8220;If the purported mechanism is arrant nonsense clothed in gobbledegook, then, yes, we can be dismissive of it.&#8221;<br />
A bit too far there.  If there was smashing data that A causes B (or even just is correlated), we&#8217;d continue to look for the mechanism.  Typically the situation is no reasonable mechanism AND no good data.</p>
<p>@27:  Yes, plants can contain useful drugs &#8211; modern medicine tries to take advantage of that.  Yes, physical exercise or therapy can be good. Limes can prevent scurvy too, is that alternative? That leaves only the acupuncture claim.  The given link is dead, though the phrase can be found on dozens of web sites with a profit motive.  The wikipedia article on acupuncture mentions it and it&#8217;s problems.  Do jabs have physiological effects?  Sure.  So does Changa, massage, and my ancient but new version of burn-the-skin therapy.</p>
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		By: James Chong		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/12/13/which-works-better-acupuncture/#comment-510308</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Chong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is Matter of Fact, has no MD will making the claim 100% cure.

80%+ considered cure, at least sufferers free from pain and live on they normal life and take care of it.

Length of time for cures is up to individual conditions
example footballer&#039;s broken knee on TV news and back to the
games 4 weeks after surgery.

By the way EÂ² Acupuncture only treating skeletal muscle pain
at this moment but will be blanching out for skeletal cancer especially breast cancer,. etc.

For my first and second PF treatments. I thought this were coincident. 

then knee, back and sciatica had proven the calculated outcome.

as sciatica double spots pain buttock &amp; 5 inches down,
Sufferer: nurse, 3 years of  very pain, weak and tire, numbness great outcomes treated on 30th/10/2011. by 1 treatment, ongoing.

12 days after and feedback:

&quot;Been feeling the slight tenderness in the area where the needle were inserted. Felt my legs is tired but not the numbness.&quot; (50% pain relief, 100% no numbness)

5 weeks Later (email on 4th/11/2011):
&quot;Seems to be fine, slight tenderness but definitely better than before&quot; (now 90% cure)

let the sufferer speech to them self.
aren&#039;t they happy with 80% cure, what else do they want? 

Merry Christmas.

Cheers James
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Matter of Fact, has no MD will making the claim 100% cure.</p>
<p>80%+ considered cure, at least sufferers free from pain and live on they normal life and take care of it.</p>
<p>Length of time for cures is up to individual conditions<br />
example footballer&#8217;s broken knee on TV news and back to the<br />
games 4 weeks after surgery.</p>
<p>By the way EÂ² Acupuncture only treating skeletal muscle pain<br />
at this moment but will be blanching out for skeletal cancer especially breast cancer,. etc.</p>
<p>For my first and second PF treatments. I thought this were coincident. </p>
<p>then knee, back and sciatica had proven the calculated outcome.</p>
<p>as sciatica double spots pain buttock &#038; 5 inches down,<br />
Sufferer: nurse, 3 years of  very pain, weak and tire, numbness great outcomes treated on 30th/10/2011. by 1 treatment, ongoing.</p>
<p>12 days after and feedback:</p>
<p>&#8220;Been feeling the slight tenderness in the area where the needle were inserted. Felt my legs is tired but not the numbness.&#8221; (50% pain relief, 100% no numbness)</p>
<p>5 weeks Later (email on 4th/11/2011):<br />
&#8220;Seems to be fine, slight tenderness but definitely better than before&#8221; (now 90% cure)</p>
<p>let the sufferer speech to them self.<br />
aren&#8217;t they happy with 80% cure, what else do they want? </p>
<p>Merry Christmas.</p>
<p>Cheers James</p>
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		By: Stuartg		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/12/13/which-works-better-acupuncture/#comment-510307</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 04:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lw @22

Medicine teaches us that to recover 100% from an injury usually takes between 12 and 18 months.  Partial recovery takes less time.

Does that time scale sound familiar?  

It should, because you just described it.

Your time span to recovery sounds as though it should be accredited to the natural rate of healing rather than coincidental use of an ineffective &quot;mechanism&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lw @22</p>
<p>Medicine teaches us that to recover 100% from an injury usually takes between 12 and 18 months.  Partial recovery takes less time.</p>
<p>Does that time scale sound familiar?  </p>
<p>It should, because you just described it.</p>
<p>Your time span to recovery sounds as though it should be accredited to the natural rate of healing rather than coincidental use of an ineffective &#8220;mechanism&#8221;.</p>
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		By: James Chong		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/12/13/which-works-better-acupuncture/#comment-510306</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Chong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 03:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;br&gt;
Please calm down East and West. Medicine in scientific term is always up most advantages then none.&lt;br&gt;
After online concluded my five years of acupuncture researched.&lt;br&gt;
Is Matter of fact, over 4610+ years, practicing acupuncture medicine is already written in Yellow Emperor medical text &quot;
&lt;b&gt;Dispel Yins&lt;/b&gt;&quot;(negative energy). As that, which concluded the term of scientific fact.
&lt;br&gt;In my site&#039;s picture &lt;a href=&quot;https://sites.google.com/site/jameschongpainfree/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; google.com/site/jameschongpainfree&lt;/a&gt;
Has demonstrate scientific fact of a fine metal needle and it&#039;s nature phenomenon action under the right environment. Which had published by a great scientist in 1887, 4480+ years after. If any scientist not convince of this nature phenomenon fact. please back to the science study.

for practicing medicine must stand patient side of benefits.
comfort, risk, any complication and sides effect.

it doesn&#039;t matter of which legal medical method of practice. 


cheers
James.
&lt;br&gt;
   

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Please calm down East and West. Medicine in scientific term is always up most advantages then none.<br />
After online concluded my five years of acupuncture researched.<br />
Is Matter of fact, over 4610+ years, practicing acupuncture medicine is already written in Yellow Emperor medical text &#8221;<br />
<b>Dispel Yins</b>&#8220;(negative energy). As that, which concluded the term of scientific fact.<br />
<br />In my site&#8217;s picture <a href="https://sites.google.com/site/jameschongpainfree/" rel="nofollow"> google.com/site/jameschongpainfree</a><br />
Has demonstrate scientific fact of a fine metal needle and it&#8217;s nature phenomenon action under the right environment. Which had published by a great scientist in 1887, 4480+ years after. If any scientist not convince of this nature phenomenon fact. please back to the science study.</p>
<p>for practicing medicine must stand patient side of benefits.<br />
comfort, risk, any complication and sides effect.</p>
<p>it doesn&#8217;t matter of which legal medical method of practice. </p>
<p>cheers<br />
James.<br /></p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 03:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(from http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/2003/fs134/en/)

â?¢25% of modern medicines are made from plants first used traditionally.
â?¢Acupuncture has been proven effective in relieving postoperative pain, nausea during pregnancy, nausea and vomiting resulting from chemotherapy, and dental pain with extremely low side effects. It can also alleviate anxiety, panic disorders and insomnia.
â?¢Yoga can reduce asthma attacks while Tai Ji techniques can help the elderly reduce their fear of falls.
â?¢TM can also have impact on infectious diseases. For example, the Chinese herbal remedy Artemisia annua, used in China for almost 2000 years has been found to be effective against resistant malaria and could create a breakthrough in preventing almost one million deaths annually, most of them children, from severe malaria.
â?¢In South Africa, the Medical Research Council is conducting studies on the efficacy of the plant Sutherlandia Microphylla in treating AIDS patients. Traditionally used as a tonic, this plant may increase energy, appetite and body mass in people living with HIV.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(from <a href="http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/2003/fs134/en/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/2003/fs134/en/</a>)</p>
<p>â?¢25% of modern medicines are made from plants first used traditionally.<br />
â?¢Acupuncture has been proven effective in relieving postoperative pain, nausea during pregnancy, nausea and vomiting resulting from chemotherapy, and dental pain with extremely low side effects. It can also alleviate anxiety, panic disorders and insomnia.<br />
â?¢Yoga can reduce asthma attacks while Tai Ji techniques can help the elderly reduce their fear of falls.<br />
â?¢TM can also have impact on infectious diseases. For example, the Chinese herbal remedy Artemisia annua, used in China for almost 2000 years has been found to be effective against resistant malaria and could create a breakthrough in preventing almost one million deaths annually, most of them children, from severe malaria.<br />
â?¢In South Africa, the Medical Research Council is conducting studies on the efficacy of the plant Sutherlandia Microphylla in treating AIDS patients. Traditionally used as a tonic, this plant may increase energy, appetite and body mass in people living with HIV.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 01:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow! I had never even heard of Changa before this blog and it made me very interested to see which one you thought works better. Personally, I&#039;m a little skeptical about these more spiritual methods of treating diseases. I donâ??t think I would be able to believe either of these really work until I try them myself since neither of them actually uses real medicine. The story you described couldâ??ve been a coincidence so I&#039;m really not sold on either method. But thanks for broadening my knowledge about Changa since I have never heard of it before!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I had never even heard of Changa before this blog and it made me very interested to see which one you thought works better. Personally, I&#8217;m a little skeptical about these more spiritual methods of treating diseases. I donâ??t think I would be able to believe either of these really work until I try them myself since neither of them actually uses real medicine. The story you described couldâ??ve been a coincidence so I&#8217;m really not sold on either method. But thanks for broadening my knowledge about Changa since I have never heard of it before!</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 01:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are a range of medical issues/disorders that are not well understood by science based medicine (and I mean &quot;science&quot;) and are thus ripe for woo. When a person is stuck with a chronic and painful disorder that cannot be cured, that person may get desperate. Mix that in with a bit of credulous temperament, and you have a recipe for new age woo. I&#039;m watching this scenario play out now with a loved one, and so far I can say with some confidence that homeopathy is a wonderful cure for wealth. (The remedies are cheap, but the constant need for consultations gets very pricey.)

An even bigger problem, though, is that acceptance of woo requires ever increasing amounts of credulity on the part of the patient, which encourages more and more irrational behavior even in other aspects of life. It&#039;s like watching a brain rot. Not fun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a range of medical issues/disorders that are not well understood by science based medicine (and I mean &#8220;science&#8221;) and are thus ripe for woo. When a person is stuck with a chronic and painful disorder that cannot be cured, that person may get desperate. Mix that in with a bit of credulous temperament, and you have a recipe for new age woo. I&#8217;m watching this scenario play out now with a loved one, and so far I can say with some confidence that homeopathy is a wonderful cure for wealth. (The remedies are cheap, but the constant need for consultations gets very pricey.)</p>
<p>An even bigger problem, though, is that acceptance of woo requires ever increasing amounts of credulity on the part of the patient, which encourages more and more irrational behavior even in other aspects of life. It&#8217;s like watching a brain rot. Not fun.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would trust acupuncture before chiropractory, because in the former they are just little needles and in the latter you can get your neck broken. 

Putting it another way, nobody can break my chi, but my bones are more vulnerable, since they exist. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would trust acupuncture before chiropractory, because in the former they are just little needles and in the latter you can get your neck broken. </p>
<p>Putting it another way, nobody can break my chi, but my bones are more vulnerable, since they exist. </p>
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