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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/12/02/please-do-not-shoot-the-endang/#comment-510010</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John, of course you area DDT conspiracy nutbag!

For those who don&#039;t know, there is a whole class of Krazy linked to DDT.  You see, Rachel Carson was an hysterical evil woman who hated kittens that&#039;s why she wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001TODNZK/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=B001TODNZK&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Silent Spring&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=B001TODNZK&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;border:none !important; margin:0px !important;&quot; /&gt;. 

If you want to know about the DDT controversy, I recommend this: http://membracid.wordpress.com/tag/ddt/

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, of course you area DDT conspiracy nutbag!</p>
<p>For those who don&#8217;t know, there is a whole class of Krazy linked to DDT.  You see, Rachel Carson was an hysterical evil woman who hated kittens that&#8217;s why she wrote <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001TODNZK/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=wwwgregladenc-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=B001TODNZK" rel="nofollow">Silent Spring</a><img src="https://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=B001TODNZK" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />. </p>
<p>If you want to know about the DDT controversy, I recommend this: <a href="http://membracid.wordpress.com/tag/ddt/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://membracid.wordpress.com/tag/ddt/</a></p>
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		By: john swallow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/12/02/please-do-not-shoot-the-endang/#comment-510009</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ Greg;  Do you call your response to me dealing with the facts that I&#039;ve presented?  I have lived for some time in areas with a high incidence of malaria and due to taking precautions against contacting this dread disease, I have never been afflicted with it.  This has nothing to do with the fact regarding the malaria outbreak in the Soviet Union that is a FACT that your Al Gore would not want to admit to. Address the need for DDT to control this scourge of humanity &amp; cut the BS.  So as to not annoy you, I&#039;m finished with this.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Greg;  Do you call your response to me dealing with the facts that I&#8217;ve presented?  I have lived for some time in areas with a high incidence of malaria and due to taking precautions against contacting this dread disease, I have never been afflicted with it.  This has nothing to do with the fact regarding the malaria outbreak in the Soviet Union that is a FACT that your Al Gore would not want to admit to. Address the need for DDT to control this scourge of humanity &#038; cut the BS.  So as to not annoy you, I&#8217;m finished with this.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John, I&#039;ve had Malaria.  I&#039;ve had babies die of it in my arms. I&#039;ve treated hundreds of people with it at a health clinic in the Congo.  Don&#039;t tell me about malaria.  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I&#8217;ve had Malaria.  I&#8217;ve had babies die of it in my arms. I&#8217;ve treated hundreds of people with it at a health clinic in the Congo.  Don&#8217;t tell me about malaria.  </p>
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		By: john Swallow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john Swallow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg; While &quot;man eaters&quot; may get the attention, one needs to be aware that the mosquito has been responsible for untold millions of deaths world wide by being the carrier of malaria and Dengue fever.  You may not like this source because it deals with facts; therefore, if you disagree with what is given below, dispute it with Facts and not conjecture.

&quot;In fact, the most catastrophic epidemic on record anywhere in the world occurred in the Soviet Union in the 1920s, with a peak incidence of 13 million cases per year, and 600,000 deaths. Transmission was high in many parts of Siberia, and there were 30,000 cases and 10,000 deaths due to falciparum infection (the most deadly malaria parasite) in Archangel, close to the Arctic circle. Malaria persisted in many parts of Europe until the advent of DDT.&quot; 

 http://climateaudit.org/2005/08/30/mosquitos-malaria-and-the-ipcc-consensus/ ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg; While &#8220;man eaters&#8221; may get the attention, one needs to be aware that the mosquito has been responsible for untold millions of deaths world wide by being the carrier of malaria and Dengue fever.  You may not like this source because it deals with facts; therefore, if you disagree with what is given below, dispute it with Facts and not conjecture.</p>
<p>&#8220;In fact, the most catastrophic epidemic on record anywhere in the world occurred in the Soviet Union in the 1920s, with a peak incidence of 13 million cases per year, and 600,000 deaths. Transmission was high in many parts of Siberia, and there were 30,000 cases and 10,000 deaths due to falciparum infection (the most deadly malaria parasite) in Archangel, close to the Arctic circle. Malaria persisted in many parts of Europe until the advent of DDT.&#8221; </p>
<p> <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2005/08/30/mosquitos-malaria-and-the-ipcc-consensus/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://climateaudit.org/2005/08/30/mosquitos-malaria-and-the-ipcc-consensus/</a> </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John, it is true that wolves and coyotes seem like they should not breed, and for years I resisted the constant yammering of people who claimed that they had bred. Then DNA studies were done an this demonstrated that there was interbreeding. 

No time to track down all the references, but here&#039;s a handy one: http://goo.gl/A7Pa3

BTW, it&#039;s not all wolves, but also dogs that probably contributed.  Dogs are, essentailly, wolves, so it would be hard to pick the DNA out, I suppose. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, it is true that wolves and coyotes seem like they should not breed, and for years I resisted the constant yammering of people who claimed that they had bred. Then DNA studies were done an this demonstrated that there was interbreeding. </p>
<p>No time to track down all the references, but here&#8217;s a handy one: <a href="http://goo.gl/A7Pa3" rel="nofollow ugc">http://goo.gl/A7Pa3</a></p>
<p>BTW, it&#8217;s not all wolves, but also dogs that probably contributed.  Dogs are, essentailly, wolves, so it would be hard to pick the DNA out, I suppose. </p>
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		By: john Swallow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/12/02/please-do-not-shoot-the-endang/#comment-510005</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john Swallow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is not a strange reply from Greg about the coyotes, given other thoughts he has registered here.  This case may have occurred back in 2009 but Taylor Mitchell is still dead and will never get any older.  The conjecture that you offer up is as implausible as most of the other thoughts that you have when it is a well known, to most, a fact that wolves almost always try to kill coyotes and not procreate with them.  Maybe you can offer up some proof of this latest bit of conjecturing with no substance to back it up with.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a strange reply from Greg about the coyotes, given other thoughts he has registered here.  This case may have occurred back in 2009 but Taylor Mitchell is still dead and will never get any older.  The conjecture that you offer up is as implausible as most of the other thoughts that you have when it is a well known, to most, a fact that wolves almost always try to kill coyotes and not procreate with them.  Maybe you can offer up some proof of this latest bit of conjecturing with no substance to back it up with.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Damn, I thought that was a new case for me to add to my collection of &quot;Animals Eating People&quot; but it&#039;s that old one from 2009.

Coyotes don&#039;t eat people very often, but if they do, it is usually those northeastern types. They are larger, more wolf like in behavior, probably because interbreeding with wolves.    

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I thought that was a new case for me to add to my collection of &#8220;Animals Eating People&#8221; but it&#8217;s that old one from 2009.</p>
<p>Coyotes don&#8217;t eat people very often, but if they do, it is usually those northeastern types. They are larger, more wolf like in behavior, probably because interbreeding with wolves.    </p>
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		By: john Swllow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/12/02/please-do-not-shoot-the-endang/#comment-510003</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john Swllow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I doubt that you were aware of this, rork.
&quot;The young Toronto woman who was killed in a Nova Scotia coyote attack yesterday was a budding singer and songwriter on her first east coast tour.
Taylor Mitchell, 19, was hiking along Skyline Trail in Cape Breton Highlands National Park when she was attacked by coyotes yesterday afternoon.&quot;
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/10/28/11551301.html 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt that you were aware of this, rork.<br />
&#8220;The young Toronto woman who was killed in a Nova Scotia coyote attack yesterday was a budding singer and songwriter on her first east coast tour.<br />
Taylor Mitchell, 19, was hiking along Skyline Trail in Cape Breton Highlands National Park when she was attacked by coyotes yesterday afternoon.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/10/28/11551301.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/10/28/11551301.html</a> </p>
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		By: rork		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/12/02/please-do-not-shoot-the-endang/#comment-510002</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rork]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 19:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was reminded about the Aldo Leopold episode where he kills a wolf: &quot;In those days we had never heard of passing up a chance to kill a wolf.&quot;  (Second piece quoted at http://gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu/chrisj/leopold-quotes.html, it is good.)

There&#039;s some of that still going on near me (in MI).  Many hunters, perhaps most, kill coyotes on sight.  Everybody knows that is best, you see. Less predators will give us hunter heaven. It&#039;s Leopold&#039;s own thinking circa 1920. If I don&#039;t get that this conclusion is beyond question, I&#039;m clearly stupid about the ways of the world. A smoking tree-hugger, who unjustly is better at extracting deer and other resources than most. And there&#039;s a grain of truth about coyotes - hey, they eat stuff, including fawns, young turkey, grouse, pheasant - stuff we want to kill and eat ourselves.  Surely they are robbing us.  It can even be rightly argued they weren&#039;t historically present here (we had wolves instead).  
Anyway, maybe part of the problem is they&#039;ve never heard of any ideas that are different than the simplistic several-hundred-year-old &quot;wisdom&quot;. The last 90 years have taught us a few things - at least some of us. Maybe there are too many coyotes and maybe there are too few - wolves in Yellowstone, and predator extinctions in the Gila, have taught us that many things happen that we did not predict (e.g. Wolves make trout).  The reality for coyotes here - the little we do know so far is squat.  We act like we know everything though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reminded about the Aldo Leopold episode where he kills a wolf: &#8220;In those days we had never heard of passing up a chance to kill a wolf.&#8221;  (Second piece quoted at <a href="http://gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu/chrisj/leopold-quotes.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu/chrisj/leopold-quotes.html</a>, it is good.)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s some of that still going on near me (in MI).  Many hunters, perhaps most, kill coyotes on sight.  Everybody knows that is best, you see. Less predators will give us hunter heaven. It&#8217;s Leopold&#8217;s own thinking circa 1920. If I don&#8217;t get that this conclusion is beyond question, I&#8217;m clearly stupid about the ways of the world. A smoking tree-hugger, who unjustly is better at extracting deer and other resources than most. And there&#8217;s a grain of truth about coyotes &#8211; hey, they eat stuff, including fawns, young turkey, grouse, pheasant &#8211; stuff we want to kill and eat ourselves.  Surely they are robbing us.  It can even be rightly argued they weren&#8217;t historically present here (we had wolves instead).<br />
Anyway, maybe part of the problem is they&#8217;ve never heard of any ideas that are different than the simplistic several-hundred-year-old &#8220;wisdom&#8221;. The last 90 years have taught us a few things &#8211; at least some of us. Maybe there are too many coyotes and maybe there are too few &#8211; wolves in Yellowstone, and predator extinctions in the Gila, have taught us that many things happen that we did not predict (e.g. Wolves make trout).  The reality for coyotes here &#8211; the little we do know so far is squat.  We act like we know everything though.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 22:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A few lions in the cornfield would increase yields. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few lions in the cornfield would increase yields. </p>
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