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		By: Daniel J. Andrews		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel J. Andrews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;They both are absolutely convinced that there opponents are defending progressively weaker positions, whereas the actual evidence indicates that the exact opposite is true.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

True. And you hear both of them say things like, Scientists are leaving/defecting in droves, and they&#039;re panicking as their ideology (or theories) collapse around them. What utter tosh. You can only be that ignorant by choice in that you refuse to educate yourself.

A few times I&#039;ve heard people say, &quot;I&#039;ve studied this for a while now and....&quot;, and the next phrase is so wrong at a basic level it indicates they&#039;ve not done any studying at all--rather, their version of studying is reading only that which supports their viewpoint (Fox News reports, AIG, Morris, Gish, Ham, Monckton, Delingpole, Solomon to name a few--even Canada&#039;s Rex Murphy, a commentator who is widely considered to be erudite, is a denialist--he just uses bigger words than the usual denialists).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They both are absolutely convinced that there opponents are defending progressively weaker positions, whereas the actual evidence indicates that the exact opposite is true.</p></blockquote>
<p>True. And you hear both of them say things like, Scientists are leaving/defecting in droves, and they&#8217;re panicking as their ideology (or theories) collapse around them. What utter tosh. You can only be that ignorant by choice in that you refuse to educate yourself.</p>
<p>A few times I&#8217;ve heard people say, &#8220;I&#8217;ve studied this for a while now and&#8230;.&#8221;, and the next phrase is so wrong at a basic level it indicates they&#8217;ve not done any studying at all&#8211;rather, their version of studying is reading only that which supports their viewpoint (Fox News reports, AIG, Morris, Gish, Ham, Monckton, Delingpole, Solomon to name a few&#8211;even Canada&#8217;s Rex Murphy, a commentator who is widely considered to be erudite, is a denialist&#8211;he just uses bigger words than the usual denialists).</p>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Lund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The WSJ&#039;s editorial and op-ed pages have had a lunatic right-wing slant to them for as long as I can remember. The news pages used to be among the most reliable of any paper in the world. This juxtaposition makes sense when you remember that their target market is the investor class: people who tend to favor Republican policies but need actual good information to invest and have the means to get it.

That, however, was before Murdoch bought the WSJ. Today, their news section is every bit as suspect as their opinion pages. The investor who wants reliable news is better off subscribing to the Financial Times.

No, I&#039;m not clicking on the link just to find out whether this &quot;article&quot; (as the URL describes it) is an opinion piece or an alleged news item.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The WSJ&#8217;s editorial and op-ed pages have had a lunatic right-wing slant to them for as long as I can remember. The news pages used to be among the most reliable of any paper in the world. This juxtaposition makes sense when you remember that their target market is the investor class: people who tend to favor Republican policies but need actual good information to invest and have the means to get it.</p>
<p>That, however, was before Murdoch bought the WSJ. Today, their news section is every bit as suspect as their opinion pages. The investor who wants reliable news is better off subscribing to the Financial Times.</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m not clicking on the link just to find out whether this &#8220;article&#8221; (as the URL describes it) is an opinion piece or an alleged news item.</p>
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		By: Doug		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have two related thoughts:

1. When I read these sorts of articles, I am reminded of a phrase I once heard years ago, &quot;dodging the last kicks of a dying buffalo.&quot;  The dying buffalo of climate change denialism is kicking like crazy.  Problem is, it&#039;s still powerful enough to cause a lot of damage.  

2. I am often struck by how similar the arguments used by climate change deniers and creationists.  They both are absolutely convinced that there opponents are defending progressively weaker positions, whereas the actual evidence indicates that the exact opposite is true.  I know that deniers hate the be called that, but if the shoe fits...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have two related thoughts:</p>
<p>1. When I read these sorts of articles, I am reminded of a phrase I once heard years ago, &#8220;dodging the last kicks of a dying buffalo.&#8221;  The dying buffalo of climate change denialism is kicking like crazy.  Problem is, it&#8217;s still powerful enough to cause a lot of damage.  </p>
<p>2. I am often struck by how similar the arguments used by climate change deniers and creationists.  They both are absolutely convinced that there opponents are defending progressively weaker positions, whereas the actual evidence indicates that the exact opposite is true.  I know that deniers hate the be called that, but if the shoe fits&#8230;</p>
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		By: DRK		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DRK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[August 1, 2007, when the deal went through to sell the WSJ to Rupert Murdoch.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>August 1, 2007, when the deal went through to sell the WSJ to Rupert Murdoch.  </p>
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		By: James Hrynyshyn		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/29/so-when-did-the-wall-street-jo/#comment-509940</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Hrynyshyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re talking about a paper that would also print the thoughts of one James Delingpole:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204452104577059830626002226.html

so what do you expect?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re talking about a paper that would also print the thoughts of one James Delingpole:<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204452104577059830626002226.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204452104577059830626002226.html</a></p>
<p>so what do you expect?</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt; What does he have to say about current and projected AGW models? 

Feynman: Braaaiiinnnssss?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> What does he have to say about current and projected AGW models? </p>
<p>Feynman: Braaaiiinnnssss?</p>
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		By: Sinoz		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/29/so-when-did-the-wall-street-jo/#comment-509938</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sinoz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t know you still published over here. I have just been checking FTB.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know you still published over here. I have just been checking FTB.</p>
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		By: John		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/29/so-when-did-the-wall-street-jo/#comment-509937</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I got as far as &quot;faith in things unseen&quot; and had to drop it.  Yeef!  What a crackpot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got as far as &#8220;faith in things unseen&#8221; and had to drop it.  Yeef!  What a crackpot.</p>
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		By: Joseph j7uy5		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/29/so-when-did-the-wall-street-jo/#comment-509936</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph j7uy5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder what they will print when Wall Street is under water (Geologically underwater, that is; it already is underwater financially.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what they will print when Wall Street is under water (Geologically underwater, that is; it already is underwater financially.)</p>
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		By: gwen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gwen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 06:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t know you still published over here. I have just been checking FTB.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know you still published over here. I have just been checking FTB.</p>
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