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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/15/judge-rules-against-us-constitution-sides-with-1/#comment-17547&quot;&gt;StevoR&lt;/a&gt;.

SteveR: Sort of: The Constitution and subsequent case law doesn&#039;t really talk about overnight vs. overday, so they can stay over night.  They just can&#039;t have tents or blankets or sleeping bags.  This does not clearly violate NOR does it clearly NOT violate the constitution.  Their form of free speech is to stay round the clock and &quot;occupy&quot; public space. I think NYC would lose on that ground if it want to a higher court.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/15/judge-rules-against-us-constitution-sides-with-1/#comment-17547">StevoR</a>.</p>
<p>SteveR: Sort of: The Constitution and subsequent case law doesn&#8217;t really talk about overnight vs. overday, so they can stay over night.  They just can&#8217;t have tents or blankets or sleeping bags.  This does not clearly violate NOR does it clearly NOT violate the constitution.  Their form of free speech is to stay round the clock and &#8220;occupy&#8221; public space. I think NYC would lose on that ground if it want to a higher court.</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 04:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW, I agree with a lot of the Occupy movements message - its some of their tactics I&#039;m not so sure about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I agree with a lot of the Occupy movements message &#8211; its some of their tactics I&#8217;m not so sure about.</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 04:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Agree or disagree with him I think Jim Wright of the &lt;i&gt;Stonekettle Station&lt;/i&gt; blog makes some good points here : 

http://www.stonekettle.com/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-lessons-from-tea.html 

in his assessment of the Occupy movement - and in his follow up post on it as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree or disagree with him I think Jim Wright of the <i>Stonekettle Station</i> blog makes some good points here : </p>
<p><a href="http://www.stonekettle.com/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-lessons-from-tea.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.stonekettle.com/2011/11/occupy-wall-street-lessons-from-tea.html</a> </p>
<p>in his assessment of the Occupy movement &#8211; and in his follow up post on it as well.</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 04:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I could be mistaken about this and I&#039;m not trying to be contrary here but my understanding from what I was told on the Aussie TV news is that the protesters are free to &lt;B&gt;*assemble*&lt;/B&gt; and protest during the day  but just NOT to &lt;b&gt;camp&lt;/b&gt; overnight in the park and put up permanent banners there. Is that correct?

If so, while we may not like it, that does seem fair enough and not violating the US constitution doesn&#039;t it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be mistaken about this and I&#8217;m not trying to be contrary here but my understanding from what I was told on the Aussie TV news is that the protesters are free to <b>*assemble*</b> and protest during the day  but just NOT to <b>camp</b> overnight in the park and put up permanent banners there. Is that correct?</p>
<p>If so, while we may not like it, that does seem fair enough and not violating the US constitution doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 03:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not much room to hide here. This is a public space that happens to be privately owned (not by the city or county) designed for public gatherings.  If there was ever a place for a long term occupation, this is it.

Bloomberg and this particular judge have decided that enough is enough; the constitution stops working just shy of three months.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much room to hide here. This is a public space that happens to be privately owned (not by the city or county) designed for public gatherings.  If there was ever a place for a long term occupation, this is it.</p>
<p>Bloomberg and this particular judge have decided that enough is enough; the constitution stops working just shy of three months.</p>
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		By: Christopher Petroni		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Petroni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 02:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, I figured that was the one.  I don&#039;t know much about that particular right, but I do know that like freedom of speech it&#039;s subject to reasonable restrictions related to time, space, and manner.

I&#039;m not saying that the court was right to deny the injunction, but the federal Supreme Court has made space for people like Bloomberg to hide when they try to curtail peaceful protests.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I figured that was the one.  I don&#8217;t know much about that particular right, but I do know that like freedom of speech it&#8217;s subject to reasonable restrictions related to time, space, and manner.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that the court was right to deny the injunction, but the federal Supreme Court has made space for people like Bloomberg to hide when they try to curtail peaceful protests.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 00:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[khms: That was an earlier injunction, this is the result of the mayor&#039;s appeal.

Right, the right of free assembly.

I can&#039;t believe that in this day in age the Mayor of New York can be such as clueless bumbling idiot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>khms: That was an earlier injunction, this is the result of the mayor&#8217;s appeal.</p>
<p>Right, the right of free assembly.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe that in this day in age the Mayor of New York can be such as clueless bumbling idiot.</p>
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		By: Leo Buzalsky		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/15/judge-rules-against-us-constitution-sides-with-1/#comment-17543</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leo Buzalsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 00:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The idea...was to clean up the park and let the protesters back in.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And that was after they (law enforcement) threw out all the tents and other possessions the protestors couldn&#039;t take with them, right?  Good way to really make the protesters upset, I&#039;d think.  So, yeah, probably not the best move on Bloomberg&#039;s part.  As you suggest, Greg, the protesters will probably be breaking stuff for sure now, come Thursday.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The idea&#8230;was to clean up the park and let the protesters back in.</p></blockquote>
<p>And that was after they (law enforcement) threw out all the tents and other possessions the protestors couldn&#8217;t take with them, right?  Good way to really make the protesters upset, I&#8217;d think.  So, yeah, probably not the best move on Bloomberg&#8217;s part.  As you suggest, Greg, the protesters will probably be breaking stuff for sure now, come Thursday.</p>
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		By: Leo Buzalsky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leo Buzalsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 00:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@2 Right to peaceful assembly, I&#039;m sure.  It&#039;s in the First Amendment.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; &lt;b&gt;or the right of the people peaceably to assemble&lt;/b&gt;, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@2 Right to peaceful assembly, I&#8217;m sure.  It&#8217;s in the First Amendment.</p>
<blockquote><p>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; <b>or the right of the people peaceably to assemble</b>, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Christopher Petroni		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher Petroni]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 23:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What provision of the Constitution did the judge violate?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What provision of the Constitution did the judge violate?</p>
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