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		By: DuWayne		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/07/on-the-separation-of-church-and-booze/#comment-17403</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 14:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We have a local coffee shop that I recently learned is legally considered a place of worship. In their case it was apparently more than anything else, about being able to discriminate when hiring. I don&#039;t believe we have rules such as that around here, but of course we might as well - there is an approval process and while it is almost always a formality, you can bet there would be issues.

Makes me miss Portland where there was an adult bookstore directly across the street from a church and almost directly next to a high school. The school didn&#039;t have a problem with it - there is nothing for kids to see and they card people with gray hair. But the church fought hard to prevent them from opening - on the grounds they didn&#039;t want their kids to see &quot;that.&quot; The city counselwoman for that district pointedly asked them what, exactly they didn&#039;t want their kids to see. The store didn&#039;t even have a sign with a name on it - just the address was displayed.

They then played up the notion that they were being oppressed...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a local coffee shop that I recently learned is legally considered a place of worship. In their case it was apparently more than anything else, about being able to discriminate when hiring. I don&#8217;t believe we have rules such as that around here, but of course we might as well &#8211; there is an approval process and while it is almost always a formality, you can bet there would be issues.</p>
<p>Makes me miss Portland where there was an adult bookstore directly across the street from a church and almost directly next to a high school. The school didn&#8217;t have a problem with it &#8211; there is nothing for kids to see and they card people with gray hair. But the church fought hard to prevent them from opening &#8211; on the grounds they didn&#8217;t want their kids to see &#8220;that.&#8221; The city counselwoman for that district pointedly asked them what, exactly they didn&#8217;t want their kids to see. The store didn&#8217;t even have a sign with a name on it &#8211; just the address was displayed.</p>
<p>They then played up the notion that they were being oppressed&#8230;</p>
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		By: tfkreference		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 04:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s strange that the complainers are Nordeasters--you can&#039;t drive three blocks in this area without seeing a bar or a church. It&#039;s probably why the ordinance was put in place. 

The ridiculous part is that the ordinance was implemented in the 60s, when lots if people walked to their neighborhood church (in this part of Minneapolis, anyway) and might not have wanted to walk past a bar. Now, church attendance is down, and many churches in the city are closing. People generally drive to church, and although I might have exaggerated a little in my first paragraph, you&#039;d have to go out of your way to get to any of the churches in lower Nordeast without passing at least three bars. 

I should also mention that every festival I&#039;ve attended at a Catholic church in Nordeast has served beer. At least now I know to decline any invitations to St. Cyril&#039;s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s strange that the complainers are Nordeasters&#8211;you can&#8217;t drive three blocks in this area without seeing a bar or a church. It&#8217;s probably why the ordinance was put in place. </p>
<p>The ridiculous part is that the ordinance was implemented in the 60s, when lots if people walked to their neighborhood church (in this part of Minneapolis, anyway) and might not have wanted to walk past a bar. Now, church attendance is down, and many churches in the city are closing. People generally drive to church, and although I might have exaggerated a little in my first paragraph, you&#8217;d have to go out of your way to get to any of the churches in lower Nordeast without passing at least three bars. </p>
<p>I should also mention that every festival I&#8217;ve attended at a Catholic church in Nordeast has served beer. At least now I know to decline any invitations to St. Cyril&#8217;s.</p>
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		By: cag		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/07/on-the-separation-of-church-and-booze/#comment-17401</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why would any reputable business want to set up in an area polluted by a church?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would any reputable business want to set up in an area polluted by a church?</p>
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		By: itzac		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/07/on-the-separation-of-church-and-booze/#comment-17400</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You could always make the rule reciprocal, so that no new churches could be set up near established liquor stores. That wouldn&#039;t violate the the first amendment, would it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could always make the rule reciprocal, so that no new churches could be set up near established liquor stores. That wouldn&#8217;t violate the the first amendment, would it?</p>
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		By: rwahrens		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I once lived in Lewisville, Tx.  There is a small town next to Lewisville named Flower Mound.

A highway marks the division between the two towns at one point.  On one side, the Lewisville side, was a Presbyterian Church.  Across the highway was a convenience store, in Flower Mound.

The owner of the store decided he wanted to sell booze, so he went to the FM city council and applied for a license.  Well, Texas has local option, so FM could decide, as a local entity, to allow alcohol sales.

During the council meeting when this was discussed, the members of the church (from Lewisville, remember, a much larger city) packed the council chambers opposing the application based on its proximity to their church.

Given the the two cities had a long standing rivalry based on relative size, the city council of Flower Mound basically said to the Lewisville folks, &quot;stick it where the sun don&#039;t shine, we&#039;re granting the license!&quot;

So life went on, the store owner set up his expansion into the liquor business and everybody went back home.

A few months later, my wife and I were going to my mother&#039;s for Sunday lunch and decided to bring a bottle of wine. Forgetting the State rules forbidding the sale of alcohol before noon on Sunday, we stopped by at about 11:30.  Once the clerk told us he was sorry, but rules are rules, we just said, &quot;Oh, that&#039;s ok, we&#039;ll just come by in a half hour.&quot;

His reply:  &quot;Don&#039;t bother, the church across the street gets out at 12 and we always get a run on beer about that time.  Come back at 12:30!&quot;

Just one of the many nails in the coffin of my religiosity!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once lived in Lewisville, Tx.  There is a small town next to Lewisville named Flower Mound.</p>
<p>A highway marks the division between the two towns at one point.  On one side, the Lewisville side, was a Presbyterian Church.  Across the highway was a convenience store, in Flower Mound.</p>
<p>The owner of the store decided he wanted to sell booze, so he went to the FM city council and applied for a license.  Well, Texas has local option, so FM could decide, as a local entity, to allow alcohol sales.</p>
<p>During the council meeting when this was discussed, the members of the church (from Lewisville, remember, a much larger city) packed the council chambers opposing the application based on its proximity to their church.</p>
<p>Given the the two cities had a long standing rivalry based on relative size, the city council of Flower Mound basically said to the Lewisville folks, &#8220;stick it where the sun don&#8217;t shine, we&#8217;re granting the license!&#8221;</p>
<p>So life went on, the store owner set up his expansion into the liquor business and everybody went back home.</p>
<p>A few months later, my wife and I were going to my mother&#8217;s for Sunday lunch and decided to bring a bottle of wine. Forgetting the State rules forbidding the sale of alcohol before noon on Sunday, we stopped by at about 11:30.  Once the clerk told us he was sorry, but rules are rules, we just said, &#8220;Oh, that&#8217;s ok, we&#8217;ll just come by in a half hour.&#8221;</p>
<p>His reply:  &#8220;Don&#8217;t bother, the church across the street gets out at 12 and we always get a run on beer about that time.  Come back at 12:30!&#8221;</p>
<p>Just one of the many nails in the coffin of my religiosity!</p>
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		By: Didaktylos		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/07/on-the-separation-of-church-and-booze/#comment-17398</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually what would be even better would be if that story of yours had one more element. That town was so small that the pastor&#039;s stipend wasn&#039;t enough to support a family, so he had a &quot;day job&quot; as well - grocercy store owner ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually what would be even better would be if that story of yours had one more element. That town was so small that the pastor&#8217;s stipend wasn&#8217;t enough to support a family, so he had a &#8220;day job&#8221; as well &#8211; grocercy store owner &#8230;</p>
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		By: savoy47		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/07/on-the-separation-of-church-and-booze/#comment-17397</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[savoy47]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Can they serve wine in church?]]></description>
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		By: Pierce R. Butler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierce R. Butler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Locally, a megachurch has just opened a &quot;satellite&quot; location in a former pool hall in a downtown area bustling after dark with numerous clubs. 

They have announced they&#039;ll be holding services there, which in effect means no new clubs can open (or apply for expanded licenses - say, for distilled drinks as well as beer/wine) in that neighborhood.

At first I suspected they intended to proselytize the partiers, but now I&#039;m wondering whether the pastor has a &quot;special understanding&quot; with some grandfathered-in club owner(s) who now won&#039;t have to worry about increased competition.

Either way, bless their little hearts!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Locally, a megachurch has just opened a &#8220;satellite&#8221; location in a former pool hall in a downtown area bustling after dark with numerous clubs. </p>
<p>They have announced they&#8217;ll be holding services there, which in effect means no new clubs can open (or apply for expanded licenses &#8211; say, for distilled drinks as well as beer/wine) in that neighborhood.</p>
<p>At first I suspected they intended to proselytize the partiers, but now I&#8217;m wondering whether the pastor has a &#8220;special understanding&#8221; with some grandfathered-in club owner(s) who now won&#8217;t have to worry about increased competition.</p>
<p>Either way, bless their little hearts!</p>
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