Comments on: Do you take Vitamin E to avoid prostate cancer? Stop. Now. https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/ Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:01:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.6 By: jmdesp https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509411 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:01:26 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509411 Those are some very wide variation in the results.

Of course +17% cancers in the Vitamin E case is very worrying but when you see that Vitamin E together with selenium is only +5%, whilst selenium alone is +8,7%, you conclude that either selenium somehow quite significantly reduces the bad effect of Vitamin E, despite having no positive effect alone, or that “something” in this study caused a abnormally large dispersions of results which makes it very hard to get any statistically significant result out of it.

]]> By: Jeff https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509410 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 15:19:02 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509410 @Jon Tomas: Your argument was well stated. Another factor was the kind of vitamin E used in this study – synthetic DL-Alpha Tocopherol, which has much less biological activity than natural vitamin E.

Fortunately there have been vitamin E studies like this one which stress the importance of combining all the various forms of vitamin E. Unfortunately these studies are ignored by most media outlets.

]]> By: GregFromCanada https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509409 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 15:11:56 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509409 How many in around 8700 men who don’t take VE, Sel. or placebo normally get prostate cancer? I understand that the placebo group is the control, but it would be good to have the numbers for normal occurrences along with the rest.

]]> By: Dunc https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509408 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 10:58:25 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509408

I want a large double-blind, study of the relative effectiveness of various placebos.

Some work has been done. The result depends on what you’re trying to treat and the cultural expectations of the patient, but yes, there can be a significant difference in effectiveness between different kinds of placebos. For example, intravenous placebos are usually more effective than oral placebos, red pills make better stimulant placebos and green pills make better sedative placebos. (In European tests, at least. Cultures with different colour associations would probably fare differently.)

]]> By: dhogaza https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509407 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 05:57:52 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509407

Do homeopathic placebos work better than the organically grown herbal placebo teas?

Well, they should be cheaper, just buy some distilled water and label it …

]]> By: Art https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509406 Thu, 03 Nov 2011 05:27:09 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509406 “Stop taking the vitamin E…but get yourself some placebo :)”

Do homeopathic placebos work better than the organically grown herbal placebo teas? If I’m going to use a placebo I want only the best.

I want a large double-blind, study of the relative effectiveness of various placebos.

]]> By: Jon Tomas https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509405 Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:11:09 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509405 The overriding concern with studies of vitamin E efficacy (or lack thereof) is the failure to consider, or incorporate, the various isomers of tocopherol (to say nothing of tocotrienol) available in the human diet. Use of high dose alpha-tocopherol supplements, for instance, selectively depletes humans of gamma-tocopherol, a tocopherol with activity distinct from that of the alpha isomer. An equally likely scenario to “Vitamin E increases the risk for prostate cancer” would be “preferential supplementation with alpha tocopherol, sans regard for balanced intake with respect to the other isomers of tocopherol, may result in a physiological environment more conducive to the development of prostate tumors”. The role of vitamin E in human health is far more complicated than the “if…then” scenario spun by the popular press, or even by those clinical researchers who cannot, or will not, control for such factors in the course of their investigations.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509404 Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:45:04 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509404 Hahaha. Damn you autocorrect!!! Thanks for the catch.

]]> By: Jim https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509403 Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:34:49 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509403 Prostate = an organ in the human body
Prostrate = lying flat on the ground

]]> By: Ian https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509402 Wed, 02 Nov 2011 21:33:36 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/11/02/do-you-take-vitamin-e-to-avoid/#comment-509402 Stop taking the vitamin E…but get yourself some placebo 🙂

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