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		By: anfractuous		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/28/the-baseline-how-much-sexual-assault-is-there/#comment-17202</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 15:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[New reader here.  Thanks for the great article.  I was shocked to discover even some atheist, so-called rational blog commenters right here on FTB are not immune to indulging in rape fantasy, if not the real thing.  In reference to the Tea Party telling Michele Bachmann it’s time to leave the prez race (You’re an Ego-Maniac! Mrs. Grinch), commenter Art at #5 on Assassin Actual posted this: 
 
October 31, 2011 at 18:16
“Kind of sad watching the desperate girls from the back room at the frat party get thrown out. They said all the right things, and push comes to shove they would do anything, anything at all, to get noticed and spend time with the popular guys. They thought once in they could build friendships and relationships, be a member in the community, but what they said to get in the door, and what they did to stay, left them degraded and used. Her makeup is smeared and run, her dress is a mess, her knees are black with mung from the polluted floor, she is worn and the wild-eyed enthusiasm has lost its edge. She is led quietly to the back door and told to leave. 
The frat boys she serviced will act like they have never seen her before. If they remember her name it will only be spoken in a whisper to other frat boys when talking about how wild their parties can get. After a while her name will disappear entirely and she will be referred thereafter as ‘that dumb blonde’ … the one who was such a sport. 
Used, abused, laughed at, and then discarded. The sad thing is that everyone knew it would go down like this. Everyone except Michele Bachmann. 
She is still young, and still fairly pretty, as GOP operatives go, so there is a good chance she will get invited to the next dance.”


This is a seriously degrading description, and disturbingly detailed.  It sure sounds like this guy condones (fantasizes about) gang raping a “slutty” girl (Bachmann) who is just asking for it – metaphorically, of course.  Guess that makes it all okay.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New reader here.  Thanks for the great article.  I was shocked to discover even some atheist, so-called rational blog commenters right here on FTB are not immune to indulging in rape fantasy, if not the real thing.  In reference to the Tea Party telling Michele Bachmann it’s time to leave the prez race (You’re an Ego-Maniac! Mrs. Grinch), commenter Art at #5 on Assassin Actual posted this: </p>
<p>October 31, 2011 at 18:16<br />
“Kind of sad watching the desperate girls from the back room at the frat party get thrown out. They said all the right things, and push comes to shove they would do anything, anything at all, to get noticed and spend time with the popular guys. They thought once in they could build friendships and relationships, be a member in the community, but what they said to get in the door, and what they did to stay, left them degraded and used. Her makeup is smeared and run, her dress is a mess, her knees are black with mung from the polluted floor, she is worn and the wild-eyed enthusiasm has lost its edge. She is led quietly to the back door and told to leave.<br />
The frat boys she serviced will act like they have never seen her before. If they remember her name it will only be spoken in a whisper to other frat boys when talking about how wild their parties can get. After a while her name will disappear entirely and she will be referred thereafter as ‘that dumb blonde’ … the one who was such a sport.<br />
Used, abused, laughed at, and then discarded. The sad thing is that everyone knew it would go down like this. Everyone except Michele Bachmann.<br />
She is still young, and still fairly pretty, as GOP operatives go, so there is a good chance she will get invited to the next dance.”</p>
<p>This is a seriously degrading description, and disturbingly detailed.  It sure sounds like this guy condones (fantasizes about) gang raping a “slutty” girl (Bachmann) who is just asking for it – metaphorically, of course.  Guess that makes it all okay.</p>
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		By: Stephanie Zvan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/28/the-baseline-how-much-sexual-assault-is-there/#comment-17201</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Zvan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sailor, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s been direct research on this, but based on other rape research, I would guess that most of it comes from self-blame on the part of the victim (I was dressed wrong; I shouldn&#039;t have gotten drunk; I should have fought harder), frequently reinforced by friends and others. Also, it is a very not nice thing to realize your date or your friend is a rapist. Explaining it away as a misunderstanding has to have a certain amount of appeal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sailor, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s been direct research on this, but based on other rape research, I would guess that most of it comes from self-blame on the part of the victim (I was dressed wrong; I shouldn&#8217;t have gotten drunk; I should have fought harder), frequently reinforced by friends and others. Also, it is a very not nice thing to realize your date or your friend is a rapist. Explaining it away as a misunderstanding has to have a certain amount of appeal.</p>
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		By: sailor		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/28/the-baseline-how-much-sexual-assault-is-there/#comment-17200</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sailor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Stephanie, that clarifes. Does the confusion come because many women assume it has to be genital/genital to be rape?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Stephanie, that clarifes. Does the confusion come because many women assume it has to be genital/genital to be rape?</p>
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		By: Stephanie Zvan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/28/the-baseline-how-much-sexual-assault-is-there/#comment-17199</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Zvan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 01:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The DOJ publication is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&#038;rct=j&#038;q=%E2%80%9Csexual%20victimization%20of%20collegiate%20women%E2%80%9D%202000%2C%20us%20doj&#038;source=web&#038;cd=4&#038;ved=0CDQQFjAD&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncjrs.gov%2Fpdffiles1%2Fnij%2F182369.pdf&#038;ei=pvWtTpy6LYyAsgKs4-TxDg&#038;usg=AFQjCNH6IXVpCJkbA8hkbp3TPEFscEOV7Q&#038;sig2=-2x6khLaaGseS5LyUvlOKQ&#038;cad=rja&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here (pdf)&lt;/a&gt;. The definition of completed rape:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Unwanted completed penetration by force or the threat of force. Penetration includes: penile-vaginal, mouth on your genitals, mouth on someone else’s genitals, penile-anal, digital-vaginal, digital-anal, object-vaginal, and object-anal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The researchers asked very detailed questions and followed up with incident reports to confirm that the situation met the criteria. Then:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In each incident report, respondents were asked, “Do you consider this incident to be a rape?” For the 86 incidents categorized as a completed rape, 46.5 percent (n = 40) of the women answered “yes,” 48.8 percent (n = 42) answered “no,” and 4.7 percent (n = 4) answered “don’t know.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The survey period was half a year, and the researchers estimated incidence of rape to be 3.5% &lt;i&gt;per year&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DOJ publication is <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=%E2%80%9Csexual%20victimization%20of%20collegiate%20women%E2%80%9D%202000%2C%20us%20doj&amp;source=web&amp;cd=4&amp;ved=0CDQQFjAD&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncjrs.gov%2Fpdffiles1%2Fnij%2F182369.pdf&amp;ei=pvWtTpy6LYyAsgKs4-TxDg&amp;usg=AFQjCNH6IXVpCJkbA8hkbp3TPEFscEOV7Q&amp;sig2=-2x6khLaaGseS5LyUvlOKQ&amp;cad=rja" rel="nofollow">here (pdf)</a>. The definition of completed rape:</p>
<blockquote><p>Unwanted completed penetration by force or the threat of force. Penetration includes: penile-vaginal, mouth on your genitals, mouth on someone else’s genitals, penile-anal, digital-vaginal, digital-anal, object-vaginal, and object-anal.</p></blockquote>
<p>The researchers asked very detailed questions and followed up with incident reports to confirm that the situation met the criteria. Then:</p>
<blockquote><p>In each incident report, respondents were asked, “Do you consider this incident to be a rape?” For the 86 incidents categorized as a completed rape, 46.5 percent (n = 40) of the women answered “yes,” 48.8 percent (n = 42) answered “no,” and 4.7 percent (n = 4) answered “don’t know.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The survey period was half a year, and the researchers estimated incidence of rape to be 3.5% <i>per year</i>.</p>
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		By: sailor		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/28/the-baseline-how-much-sexual-assault-is-there/#comment-17198</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 00:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php

Some stats here of unknown quality. 

Here are some others: At least 1 in 4 college women will be the victim of a sexual assault during her academic career. Hirsch, Kathleen (1990)”Fraternities of Fear: Gang Rape, Male Bonding, and the Silencing of Women.” Ms., 1(2) 52-56.
At least 80% of all sexual assaults are committed by an acquaintance of the victim. Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2001.
48.8% of college women who were victims of attacks that met the study’s definition of rape did not consider what happened to them rape. Bureau of Justice Stats. “Sexual Victimization of Collegiate Women” 2000, US DOJ.

The bit that gives me a little confusion is &quot;48.8% of college women who were victims of attacks that met the study’s definition of rape did not consider what happened to them rape.&quot; So what exactly was the definition?]]></description>
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<p>Some stats here of unknown quality. </p>
<p>Here are some others: At least 1 in 4 college women will be the victim of a sexual assault during her academic career. Hirsch, Kathleen (1990)”Fraternities of Fear: Gang Rape, Male Bonding, and the Silencing of Women.” Ms., 1(2) 52-56.<br />
At least 80% of all sexual assaults are committed by an acquaintance of the victim. Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2001.<br />
48.8% of college women who were victims of attacks that met the study’s definition of rape did not consider what happened to them rape. Bureau of Justice Stats. “Sexual Victimization of Collegiate Women” 2000, US DOJ.</p>
<p>The bit that gives me a little confusion is &#8220;48.8% of college women who were victims of attacks that met the study’s definition of rape did not consider what happened to them rape.&#8221; So what exactly was the definition?</p>
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		By: Giliell, the woman who said Good-bye to Kitty		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/28/the-baseline-how-much-sexual-assault-is-there/#comment-17197</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Giliell, the woman who said Good-bye to Kitty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 21:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;. It is simply true … men of all cultures and ethnicities, even the men you know well and like and are good buddies with, even your father, brothers, and sons, when in a state of war are more than a little likely to do all sorts of things that one just does not do otherwise, including killing, including pillaging, including rape.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t want to know what my grandpa did in WWII, being a Waffen-SS member and a misogynist to start with.
It&#039;s something I only acknowledge academically. No use digging with him being dead for 20 years anyway.
But it makes me aware of this.
Knowing that probably 1 of the men who are nice and polite in my classes has raped a woman at some point is nothing I will think of when I&#039;m teaching. It would drive me crazy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>. It is simply true … men of all cultures and ethnicities, even the men you know well and like and are good buddies with, even your father, brothers, and sons, when in a state of war are more than a little likely to do all sorts of things that one just does not do otherwise, including killing, including pillaging, including rape.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to know what my grandpa did in WWII, being a Waffen-SS member and a misogynist to start with.<br />
It&#8217;s something I only acknowledge academically. No use digging with him being dead for 20 years anyway.<br />
But it makes me aware of this.<br />
Knowing that probably 1 of the men who are nice and polite in my classes has raped a woman at some point is nothing I will think of when I&#8217;m teaching. It would drive me crazy.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tim, Interesting comments.  But, I&#039;m not convinced.  I&#039;m also not defending this source, but you&#039;ve said that the methodologies are bad without saying what they are or why they&#039;re bad or anything else that would lend credence to that assertion.  You&#039;ve made a fairly specific statement, can you back it up or expand on it or offer data that has better methodology behind it, or at least suggest what that methodology might be? 

Also, sociological data is almost always problematic.  Thefore, it is easy to stop a conversation in its tracks by pointing out those problems, but some conversations should not be stopped and we often have to live with less than ideal data.  Is this the situation here?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, Interesting comments.  But, I&#8217;m not convinced.  I&#8217;m also not defending this source, but you&#8217;ve said that the methodologies are bad without saying what they are or why they&#8217;re bad or anything else that would lend credence to that assertion.  You&#8217;ve made a fairly specific statement, can you back it up or expand on it or offer data that has better methodology behind it, or at least suggest what that methodology might be? </p>
<p>Also, sociological data is almost always problematic.  Thefore, it is easy to stop a conversation in its tracks by pointing out those problems, but some conversations should not be stopped and we often have to live with less than ideal data.  Is this the situation here?</p>
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		By: Tim Mason		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Mason]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a minefield you&#039;ve stepped into there. The statistics on rape and sexual assault have become so mired in politics that it is difficult to know what to believe. Given the nature of the crime, and of the circumstances in which it is reported, the base-line figure in police-reported crime is certainly way too low. Even victim reports are certainly skewed by under-reporting. But the figures given by your source were drawn from surveys using highly questionable methodologies, and are difficult to support from the data of the surveys themselves. Joel Best has a useful discussion of the problem in his book &#039;Damned Lies and Statistics.&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a minefield you&#8217;ve stepped into there. The statistics on rape and sexual assault have become so mired in politics that it is difficult to know what to believe. Given the nature of the crime, and of the circumstances in which it is reported, the base-line figure in police-reported crime is certainly way too low. Even victim reports are certainly skewed by under-reporting. But the figures given by your source were drawn from surveys using highly questionable methodologies, and are difficult to support from the data of the surveys themselves. Joel Best has a useful discussion of the problem in his book &#8216;Damned Lies and Statistics.&#8217;</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 05:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The 1/3 number is very widely cited.  1/6 is sometimes cited, and 1/4 is rather popular.  I assume the differences are definitional.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1/3 number is very widely cited.  1/6 is sometimes cited, and 1/4 is rather popular.  I assume the differences are definitional.</p>
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		By: sailor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2011 01:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[With those stats do you mean sexual assault or rape and do you distinguish? Seem rather a high number to me for rape, but what do I know...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With those stats do you mean sexual assault or rape and do you distinguish? Seem rather a high number to me for rape, but what do I know&#8230;</p>
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