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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/26/video-of-ira-style-attack-on-protesters-in-oakland/#comment-17150</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And, Shawn, that is EXACTLY why I felt so strongly about that NOT NOT NOT poster I complained about before.  

Kids these days have no clue!  And their music suks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, Shawn, that is EXACTLY why I felt so strongly about that NOT NOT NOT poster I complained about before.  </p>
<p>Kids these days have no clue!  And their music suks!</p>
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		By: Shawn Smith		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/26/video-of-ira-style-attack-on-protesters-in-oakland/#comment-17149</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Greg. It looks like it&#039;s better than sending in cavalry and tanks to break up the Bonus Army in &#039;32, while Hoover watched the camp burn to the ground and then went to bed. But, then again, today&#039;s cops are probably better equipped than MacArthur&#039;s forces back then, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Greg. It looks like it&#8217;s better than sending in cavalry and tanks to break up the Bonus Army in &#8217;32, while Hoover watched the camp burn to the ground and then went to bed. But, then again, today&#8217;s cops are probably better equipped than MacArthur&#8217;s forces back then, too.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/26/video-of-ira-style-attack-on-protesters-in-oakland/#comment-17148</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Shawn: I think they are similar in some ways and different in some ways.  OWS is better organized and a wider range of people are involved, and the total amount of violence from police we&#039;ve seen so far in total for many weeks across the whole country would have been small compared to the police violence in any one of the major demonstrations in the 60s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn: I think they are similar in some ways and different in some ways.  OWS is better organized and a wider range of people are involved, and the total amount of violence from police we&#8217;ve seen so far in total for many weeks across the whole country would have been small compared to the police violence in any one of the major demonstrations in the 60s.</p>
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		By: Dunc		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/26/video-of-ira-style-attack-on-protesters-in-oakland/#comment-17147</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dunc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the clarification. Most informative.

Of course my memory is faulty - I was growing up at the time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the clarification. Most informative.</p>
<p>Of course my memory is faulty &#8211; I was growing up at the time.</p>
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		By: Shawn Smith		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/26/video-of-ira-style-attack-on-protesters-in-oakland/#comment-17146</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, although I was alive then, I am too young to remember the 60&#039;s at all. I was wondering if you remember them and if so, whether the current OWS actions are anything like any of the protests of the 60&#039;s.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, although I was alive then, I am too young to remember the 60&#8217;s at all. I was wondering if you remember them and if so, whether the current OWS actions are anything like any of the protests of the 60&#8217;s.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/26/video-of-ira-style-attack-on-protesters-in-oakland/#comment-17145</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/26/video-of-ira-style-attack-on-protesters-in-oakland/#comment-17144&quot;&gt;AsqJames&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree that it was probably opportunistic, but I imagine, and would bet money on this, that the fucker who shot the second device into the crowd was enjoying himself his little joke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/26/video-of-ira-style-attack-on-protesters-in-oakland/#comment-17144">AsqJames</a>.</p>
<p>I agree that it was probably opportunistic, but I imagine, and would bet money on this, that the fucker who shot the second device into the crowd was enjoying himself his little joke.</p>
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		By: AsqJames		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Dunc (#6)

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m in the UK, and I grew up with the IRA blowing the living shit of out of all and sundry in various different ways as a pretty routine feature of the daily news&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep, me too.

&lt;blockquote&gt;but I don’t ever recall them doing that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then either you weren&#039;t paying attention or your memory is faulty. It wasn&#039;t always a case of step 1: detonate device; step 2: wait for response and detonate secondary device though. There were a number of variations on the tactic. Phone in a warning for a particular time &#038; place, but set the bomb close-by or to go off slightly earlier/later. Place a dummy device designed to be spotted and draw the response which is the target of the real, much better hidden, device. Place a real device plus one or more fakes nearby.

Sometimes the goal was to kill or injure more people (most often soldiers or RUC), sometimes it was to cause more delay and disruption as security forces searched for/made safe further devices.

Of course there are significant differences to what the Oakland police officer did here. For example, it&#039;s likely this was an opportunistic act rather than a planned and premeditated one. I sincerely doubt an officer targeted Scott Olsen to draw a group to his aid and then another officer (or the same one) targeted the group that responded.

None of that makes what he/they did any less reprehensible of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dunc (#6)</p>
<blockquote><p>I’m in the UK, and I grew up with the IRA blowing the living shit of out of all and sundry in various different ways as a pretty routine feature of the daily news</p></blockquote>
<p>Yep, me too.</p>
<blockquote><p>but I don’t ever recall them doing that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Then either you weren&#8217;t paying attention or your memory is faulty. It wasn&#8217;t always a case of step 1: detonate device; step 2: wait for response and detonate secondary device though. There were a number of variations on the tactic. Phone in a warning for a particular time &amp; place, but set the bomb close-by or to go off slightly earlier/later. Place a dummy device designed to be spotted and draw the response which is the target of the real, much better hidden, device. Place a real device plus one or more fakes nearby.</p>
<p>Sometimes the goal was to kill or injure more people (most often soldiers or RUC), sometimes it was to cause more delay and disruption as security forces searched for/made safe further devices.</p>
<p>Of course there are significant differences to what the Oakland police officer did here. For example, it&#8217;s likely this was an opportunistic act rather than a planned and premeditated one. I sincerely doubt an officer targeted Scott Olsen to draw a group to his aid and then another officer (or the same one) targeted the group that responded.</p>
<p>None of that makes what he/they did any less reprehensible of course.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/26/video-of-ira-style-attack-on-protesters-in-oakland/#comment-17143</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding the bombings, I&#039;m surprised you don&#039;t know about that. This is also the style followed by Eric Rudolph.  You might consulst Christopher Harmon&#039;s Terrorism Today.  Personally, I&#039;m consulting my memory.

&quot; the point of writing is usually to get whatever’s in your head into your reader’s head&quot;

Are we really going to have that conversation?  

&quot;You weren’t exactly specific, and I’m not psychic.&quot;

I absolutely refuse to be forced to some arbitrary level of specificity a priori.  This blog is my writing project, not your technical memo.  Indeed, I often write in a way that both demands significant work on the part of the reader and at the same time includes things I know only some people are going to understand because of context. (This does not happen to be an example of that)

Having said that, please note that we are having a conversation.  You now know what I mean.  I&#039;ve even given you a reference.  I may even amend the post slightly.  And thanks for pointing out the ambiguity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the bombings, I&#8217;m surprised you don&#8217;t know about that. This is also the style followed by Eric Rudolph.  You might consulst Christopher Harmon&#8217;s Terrorism Today.  Personally, I&#8217;m consulting my memory.</p>
<p>&#8221; the point of writing is usually to get whatever’s in your head into your reader’s head&#8221;</p>
<p>Are we really going to have that conversation?  </p>
<p>&#8220;You weren’t exactly specific, and I’m not psychic.&#8221;</p>
<p>I absolutely refuse to be forced to some arbitrary level of specificity a priori.  This blog is my writing project, not your technical memo.  Indeed, I often write in a way that both demands significant work on the part of the reader and at the same time includes things I know only some people are going to understand because of context. (This does not happen to be an example of that)</p>
<p>Having said that, please note that we are having a conversation.  You now know what I mean.  I&#8217;ve even given you a reference.  I may even amend the post slightly.  And thanks for pointing out the ambiguity.</p>
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		By: Dunc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dunc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m in the UK, and I grew up with the IRA blowing the living shit of out of all and sundry in various different ways as a pretty routine feature of the daily news, but I don&#039;t ever recall them doing that. To what do you refer, specifically?

Also, the point of writing is usually to get whatever&#039;s in your head into your reader&#039;s head, so if I&#039;ve interpreted you incorrectly, that may not be &lt;i&gt;entirely&lt;/i&gt; my fault. You weren&#039;t exactly specific, and I&#039;m not psychic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the UK, and I grew up with the IRA blowing the living shit of out of all and sundry in various different ways as a pretty routine feature of the daily news, but I don&#8217;t ever recall them doing that. To what do you refer, specifically?</p>
<p>Also, the point of writing is usually to get whatever&#8217;s in your head into your reader&#8217;s head, so if I&#8217;ve interpreted you incorrectly, that may not be <i>entirely</i> my fault. You weren&#8217;t exactly specific, and I&#8217;m not psychic.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/26/video-of-ira-style-attack-on-protesters-in-oakland/#comment-17141</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/26/video-of-ira-style-attack-on-protesters-in-oakland/#comment-17140&quot;&gt;Dunc&lt;/a&gt;.

Only if you judge what I said in terms of what is in your head instead of mine.  What I meant was the trick of getting people to come over to you then attacking a second time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/26/video-of-ira-style-attack-on-protesters-in-oakland/#comment-17140">Dunc</a>.</p>
<p>Only if you judge what I said in terms of what is in your head instead of mine.  What I meant was the trick of getting people to come over to you then attacking a second time.</p>
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