Comments on: Urban Heat Islands as Explanation for Hockey Stick Global Warming Curve

By: CherryBombSim

CherryBombSim — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:01:13 +0000

Remo, I went and read that page you referenced, and it only tries to estimate the impact of the water vapor produced by combustion, not the amount of heat. (btw, the argument made there for the water vapor impact is spurious anyway, and the author also does not know how contrails are formed.)

By: dean

dean — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:35:17 +0000

“Rats are diving into the water by the hundreds.”
Name some.

“This B.E.S.T thing smells worse than the con Manns hockey stick.”
What items, in particular, are troublesome?

By: NJ

NJ — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 22:24:10 +0000

RMK@26:

This B.E.S.T thing smells worse than the con Manns hockey stick

followed by:

fight the cause with the truth and not lies

Not the best judge of which is which are you, old sport?

By: Richard McKay

Richard McKay — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:53:53 +0000

Greg old chap, I read your wonderful analysis and do you know what? I don’t think you believe in what you wrote. This B.E.S.T thing smells worse than the con Manns hockey stick. Rats are diving into the water by the hundreds. The ship has a few minutes left at best. Jump off and find a different way.Get onto a lifeboat that isn’t full of holes and rats and fight the cause with the truth and not lies.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:43:38 +0000

Remo, I don’t think that web site makes much of an argument that combustion is not a factor. And, I list it as one of the factors that is considered relevant.

By: Remo

Remo — Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:11:34 +0000

It may be serendipity, but I read more than the first line of your blog because you blew the first line: Combustion, in of itself, has a de minimis affect on urban heating. (Google: “combustion urban temperature” first reference http://paos.colorado.edu/~englishj/UrbanWeather.htm — more to it than just looking at H20, but looking at the energy flux you get the same answer). It got me curious as to what else might lurk there.

Anyhow, surprise, surprise, the paper lists Saul Perlmutter as a co-author. Yep, same guy who just won a free trip to Sweden.

Next time I see him, I’ll have to kid him. Being a newly minted Nobel Prize winner and all, I guess he now has the right to pontificate on anything and everything. lol.

(For the record, Muller was, I think, Saul’s thesis adviser. One of Saul’s grunts must have a tie-in. Not related to anything Saul’s been doing in the past two decades)

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:05:17 +0000

Mean? Who cares about that! I’m not posting the denialist emails to me because they are all based on links they want me to read, and wouldn’t make sense without the links. And I don’t post their stinking links. But if anything really worth the read comes along, I’ll post it!

By: StevoR

StevoR — Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:18:49 +0000

@ ^ Greg Laden : Well, I guess you could post some of them for our amusement here – or would that be too mean?

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:34:49 +0000

AJ, my straw man must be lost in your fog. Please stay on topic.

Garry, “Watts” is going ballistic. You should see the emails he sends me about every 45 minutes.

By: AJ

AJ — Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:31:59 +0000

Greg… nice strawman 😉

A wise teacher of mine once told me that 90% of arguments are caused over differing definitions. UHI, in the simplest of terms, is obviously just the temperature difference between an urban area and an adjacent rural area. I will agree that the temperature trends in urban and rural areas are similar, but that doesn’t tell us anything about the impact of local socio-economic trends on local temperature trends. I like my refined definition of UHI better.

Ciao, AJ