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		By: graphictruth		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/07/separation-of-church-and-state-is-not-separation-of-churches-and-state/#comment-12603</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Um... your property tax exemptions at work.

before everyone gets all up about this... just remember that the idea was to not reinvent the wheel. If a church was conveniently located, had a suitable, not particularly religious area (and lutherans, episcopals and other groups design their churches in such a way as to make this possible.) I grew up Episcopal, and the church &quot;parish hall&quot; was used regularly, by all sorts of people for all sorts of things, with a fine disregard for religious propriety. I think we even had union meetings. And the non religious areas were just that... non-religious. It was a nice hall, had tables, folding chairs and a fine kitchen. Shame to use it just one day a week, you know. 

And that&#039;s the property tax bargain.

If it has suitable parking and street access - and have the sort of insurance coverage that makes it possible, then yes, it may well make more sense than doing it at a school. It depends on a lot of non-obvious things. But mostly, it&#039;s tradition and it&#039;s tradition because it works fine.

Now, if it&#039;s making you walk past Ikons or forcing tracts upon you, that&#039;s illegal - but it would be just as illegal and wrong at any other polling place. 

And let&#039;s also remember that the separation of church and state is founded in part from the bitter experience of minority religions being persecuted by established majority religions that in essence, gained control of the state apparatus. So it would be equally problematic for a humanist movement to gain control of the apparatus of the state and use it to enforce humanist or secularist values. It&#039;s exactly the same issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230; your property tax exemptions at work.</p>
<p>before everyone gets all up about this&#8230; just remember that the idea was to not reinvent the wheel. If a church was conveniently located, had a suitable, not particularly religious area (and lutherans, episcopals and other groups design their churches in such a way as to make this possible.) I grew up Episcopal, and the church &#8220;parish hall&#8221; was used regularly, by all sorts of people for all sorts of things, with a fine disregard for religious propriety. I think we even had union meetings. And the non religious areas were just that&#8230; non-religious. It was a nice hall, had tables, folding chairs and a fine kitchen. Shame to use it just one day a week, you know. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the property tax bargain.</p>
<p>If it has suitable parking and street access &#8211; and have the sort of insurance coverage that makes it possible, then yes, it may well make more sense than doing it at a school. It depends on a lot of non-obvious things. But mostly, it&#8217;s tradition and it&#8217;s tradition because it works fine.</p>
<p>Now, if it&#8217;s making you walk past Ikons or forcing tracts upon you, that&#8217;s illegal &#8211; but it would be just as illegal and wrong at any other polling place. </p>
<p>And let&#8217;s also remember that the separation of church and state is founded in part from the bitter experience of minority religions being persecuted by established majority religions that in essence, gained control of the state apparatus. So it would be equally problematic for a humanist movement to gain control of the apparatus of the state and use it to enforce humanist or secularist values. It&#8217;s exactly the same issue.</p>
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		By: Twin Cities Naturalsit		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/07/separation-of-church-and-state-is-not-separation-of-churches-and-state/#comment-12602</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 17:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here in St. Paul I vote in the lobby of a church down the street. When I was in Mpls, I voted first in a community center and then they changed our polling station to a church. I created a stink because the long line to vote wrapped past the church bulletin board covered in all kinds of anti-abortion literature. If voters can&#039;t wear political buttons or shirts into a polling place than the polling place can&#039;t have up their own political propaganda on display. To the credit of the polling station workers, they went and removed the materials right away. 

My high school graduation all those years ago was in a ice arena. I was in the choir and our director wanted us to sing a song all about christ&#039;s love for the graduation. It was a modern song written by a friend of his. He was just clueless to the fact that some of the students wouldn&#039;t appreciate songs about christ at their graduation. All the atheists and jews in the choir (all three of us as I recall) told him we were not comfortable with his choice as it did not represent us and he did pull it from the program.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in St. Paul I vote in the lobby of a church down the street. When I was in Mpls, I voted first in a community center and then they changed our polling station to a church. I created a stink because the long line to vote wrapped past the church bulletin board covered in all kinds of anti-abortion literature. If voters can&#8217;t wear political buttons or shirts into a polling place than the polling place can&#8217;t have up their own political propaganda on display. To the credit of the polling station workers, they went and removed the materials right away. </p>
<p>My high school graduation all those years ago was in a ice arena. I was in the choir and our director wanted us to sing a song all about christ&#8217;s love for the graduation. It was a modern song written by a friend of his. He was just clueless to the fact that some of the students wouldn&#8217;t appreciate songs about christ at their graduation. All the atheists and jews in the choir (all three of us as I recall) told him we were not comfortable with his choice as it did not represent us and he did pull it from the program.</p>
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		By: Wanda		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 21:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I should also mention that I&#039;ve voted in SF in a middle school for troubled teens and in someone&#039;s garage, and there is another polling place nearby in a Starbucks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also mention that I&#8217;ve voted in SF in a middle school for troubled teens and in someone&#8217;s garage, and there is another polling place nearby in a Starbucks.</p>
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		By: Wanda		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/07/separation-of-church-and-state-is-not-separation-of-churches-and-state/#comment-12600</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 21:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My voting place in San Francisco is a Catholic church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My voting place in San Francisco is a Catholic church.</p>
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		By: Susan Silberstein		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I started living in Long Beach, CA, we voted in someone&#039;s garage. For the past [I don&#039;t remember how many] years, the polling places have been elementary or middle schools.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I started living in Long Beach, CA, we voted in someone&#8217;s garage. For the past [I don&#8217;t remember how many] years, the polling places have been elementary or middle schools.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul:  In a school, a teacher should not wear a religious symbol because the teacher is in a position of authority in relation to the students and thus there is promotion of religion. On the street, the same teacher can wear ten crosses and a pope hat, no problem. Classrooms are places designed for and understood as locations of influence and personal change.  Crosses on the wall are not allowed because it is promotion of religion, but everybody who works for the same public school can decorate the outsides of their houses with six armed gods and plastic jesus statues.  

The polling place is a place where there is an authority.  You can be stopped from voting if they don&#039;t think you are who you say you are.  There is a rule that you can&#039;t wear a political pin on your chest when you walk in the room.  You can&#039;t just walk wherever you want to walk.  Having this be a church is not the same as a cross on the blackboard in a public school, but it is arguably along the same lines.

Furthermore, there are people who can&#039;t walk into a church without great discomfort for one reason or another.  Forcing people to walk into a church to vote is obnoxious and offensive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul:  In a school, a teacher should not wear a religious symbol because the teacher is in a position of authority in relation to the students and thus there is promotion of religion. On the street, the same teacher can wear ten crosses and a pope hat, no problem. Classrooms are places designed for and understood as locations of influence and personal change.  Crosses on the wall are not allowed because it is promotion of religion, but everybody who works for the same public school can decorate the outsides of their houses with six armed gods and plastic jesus statues.  </p>
<p>The polling place is a place where there is an authority.  You can be stopped from voting if they don&#8217;t think you are who you say you are.  There is a rule that you can&#8217;t wear a political pin on your chest when you walk in the room.  You can&#8217;t just walk wherever you want to walk.  Having this be a church is not the same as a cross on the blackboard in a public school, but it is arguably along the same lines.</p>
<p>Furthermore, there are people who can&#8217;t walk into a church without great discomfort for one reason or another.  Forcing people to walk into a church to vote is obnoxious and offensive.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/07/separation-of-church-and-state-is-not-separation-of-churches-and-state/#comment-12597</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Surely any large enough space that&#039;s available for the electoral people to hire is good enough. Sure, it&#039;d be better if it were in some neuteral ground, but maybe the churches are bigger, more convenient, or just cheaper.

Its not like door hinges melt when you cross the threshold, is it? I just don&#039;t see the big deal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely any large enough space that&#8217;s available for the electoral people to hire is good enough. Sure, it&#8217;d be better if it were in some neuteral ground, but maybe the churches are bigger, more convenient, or just cheaper.</p>
<p>Its not like door hinges melt when you cross the threshold, is it? I just don&#8217;t see the big deal.</p>
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		By: Nele		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 13:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m German, I vote in a local pub. (No joke!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m German, I vote in a local pub. (No joke!)</p>
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		By: DuWayne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 12:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[err...The bit about the possibility of using the neighboring districts athletic field should have been more clear. Using that facility would make it rather difficult for many family members - especially the less able bodied, to attend graduation...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>err&#8230;The bit about the possibility of using the neighboring districts athletic field should have been more clear. Using that facility would make it rather difficult for many family members &#8211; especially the less able bodied, to attend graduation&#8230;</p>
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