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		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/07/an-open-letter-to-climate-chan/#comment-508882</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 11:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s not climate change but pollution that is going to kill us. However, the causes for both are the same for the most part.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s not climate change but pollution that is going to kill us. However, the causes for both are the same for the most part.</p>
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		By: Mal Adapted		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/07/an-open-letter-to-climate-chan/#comment-508881</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mal Adapted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;May socalism rot in the depths of hell for eternity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Southern California-ism?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>May socalism rot in the depths of hell for eternity.</p></blockquote>
<p>Southern California-ism?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/07/an-open-letter-to-climate-chan/#comment-508880</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 23:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Colin, um, AK is a self professed denialist.  

Meat Eater, thank you for exemplifying the best the denialist have to offer.  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin, um, AK is a self professed denialist.  </p>
<p>Meat Eater, thank you for exemplifying the best the denialist have to offer.  </p>
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		By: Marion Delgado		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/07/an-open-letter-to-climate-chan/#comment-508879</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marion Delgado]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Shorter denialists: Math and science are ancient conspiracies against US but we are not fooled.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter denialists: Math and science are ancient conspiracies against US but we are not fooled.</p>
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		By: Meat eater		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/07/an-open-letter-to-climate-chan/#comment-508878</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meat eater]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 21:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Open letter to global waming/global cooling/global climate change fanatics.

Thank you for telling me what kind of light bulbs I should use. I was not aware that mercury laden light bulbs are far superior in safety and lighting quality.

Thank you for putting ethanol in gasloline. I appreciate you locking up every small engine in america in the name of a thunderstorm.

Thank you for dictating that I must give up red meat for the cause weather. I appreciate your efforts as my doctor and my meoterologist. 

Furthermore, I appreciate your calm and cool ways of redistributing wealth in the name of climate. It does indeed make tyrants look better when hey change the name of a dictatorship to reflect what scientists really wnat. 

So, these statements being said, I can say with one hundred perent individual sovereign authority that I WILL NOT COMPLY. Fuck you if you think I will. I&#039;ll eat all the meat I choose. I will use regualr light bulbs until the end of my days. I will also switch to diesel instead of using your watered down gas. 

May socalism rot in the depths of hell for eternity. Now, if we could invent a time machine and go back and hang Saul Alinsky for his globalist imperalist treason... 



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open letter to global waming/global cooling/global climate change fanatics.</p>
<p>Thank you for telling me what kind of light bulbs I should use. I was not aware that mercury laden light bulbs are far superior in safety and lighting quality.</p>
<p>Thank you for putting ethanol in gasloline. I appreciate you locking up every small engine in america in the name of a thunderstorm.</p>
<p>Thank you for dictating that I must give up red meat for the cause weather. I appreciate your efforts as my doctor and my meoterologist. </p>
<p>Furthermore, I appreciate your calm and cool ways of redistributing wealth in the name of climate. It does indeed make tyrants look better when hey change the name of a dictatorship to reflect what scientists really wnat. </p>
<p>So, these statements being said, I can say with one hundred perent individual sovereign authority that I WILL NOT COMPLY. Fuck you if you think I will. I&#8217;ll eat all the meat I choose. I will use regualr light bulbs until the end of my days. I will also switch to diesel instead of using your watered down gas. </p>
<p>May socalism rot in the depths of hell for eternity. Now, if we could invent a time machine and go back and hang Saul Alinsky for his globalist imperalist treason&#8230; </p>
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		By: Don		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hard to comment. My aunt&#039;s husband was literally forced to clean the Gulf of Mexico otherwise he would be sacked. He is fatally ill now but and he can&#039;t get any medical help. He&#039;s sort of OK, as they say. What can we expect after that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to comment. My aunt&#8217;s husband was literally forced to clean the Gulf of Mexico otherwise he would be sacked. He is fatally ill now but and he can&#8217;t get any medical help. He&#8217;s sort of OK, as they say. What can we expect after that?</p>
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		By: Collin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Collin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 09:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, the first few pages of an article, just like the first few minutes of a symphony, should present the main themes. I don&#039;t see how AK criticizing Gleick&#039;s compositional skills equates to denialism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, the first few pages of an article, just like the first few minutes of a symphony, should present the main themes. I don&#8217;t see how AK criticizing Gleick&#8217;s compositional skills equates to denialism.</p>
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		By: AK		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/07/an-open-letter-to-climate-chan/#comment-508875</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 02:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Greg... &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Entire habitats become almost non-existant and others that were rare dominant during major climate fluctuation.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; That&#039;s what I meant by balance.  Some gain, others lose.  I&#039;ll admit there may seem to be more loss than gain in the case of, say, the end-Permian extinction, but that event created major opportunities for certain species that happened to be pre-adapted to the new situations.  Including our ancestors. &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;If the southern continent&#039;s glaciers melted all of NYC would have to be moved. You have no problem with seeing that happen over a few decades? Interesting.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; Nope.  Cities are obsolete.  (And if anybody wants to preserve NYC in place, well humans have had &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venice#Transport&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;partly aquatic cities&lt;/a&gt; for a millennium and a half.)  So, IMO, is terrestrial agriculture, or soon will be.  2-3 Decades is more than enough time for adaptation.  And adaptation will be generally beneficial to humanity as a species, as it will put a premium on practical intelligence, which is one of our species strategic specialties. &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;You just told me that in order to do that, I had to read whatever was referred to in that blog post.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; No, but if you don&#039;t, especially when it refers to (the equivalent of) peer-reviewed literature, you open yourself up to criticism.  Especially after you come out with &quot;&lt;i&gt;you just accused an author of &#039;selective writing&#039; because you chose to read only part of his work and then disparage him&lt;/i&gt;&quot; when I didn&#039;t.

Perhaps I should have said something like: &quot;WTF, Greg, you jump all over me for reading only the first few pages of Gleick&#039;s link (ref) before disparaging him (Gleick), when you didn&#039;t even read the first word&quot;.  I know the cases aren&#039;t parallel, yours is a post in a widely read blog, mine is just a comment.

I have more response(s), but no more time, probably until tomorrow night, if then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Greg&#8230; </p>
<blockquote><p><i>Entire habitats become almost non-existant and others that were rare dominant during major climate fluctuation.</i></p></blockquote>
<p> That&#8217;s what I meant by balance.  Some gain, others lose.  I&#8217;ll admit there may seem to be more loss than gain in the case of, say, the end-Permian extinction, but that event created major opportunities for certain species that happened to be pre-adapted to the new situations.  Including our ancestors. </p>
<blockquote><p><i>If the southern continent&#8217;s glaciers melted all of NYC would have to be moved. You have no problem with seeing that happen over a few decades? Interesting.</i></p></blockquote>
<p> Nope.  Cities are obsolete.  (And if anybody wants to preserve NYC in place, well humans have had <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venice#Transport" rel="nofollow">partly aquatic cities</a> for a millennium and a half.)  So, IMO, is terrestrial agriculture, or soon will be.  2-3 Decades is more than enough time for adaptation.  And adaptation will be generally beneficial to humanity as a species, as it will put a premium on practical intelligence, which is one of our species strategic specialties. </p>
<blockquote><p><i>You just told me that in order to do that, I had to read whatever was referred to in that blog post.</i></p></blockquote>
<p> No, but if you don&#8217;t, especially when it refers to (the equivalent of) peer-reviewed literature, you open yourself up to criticism.  Especially after you come out with &#8220;<i>you just accused an author of &#8216;selective writing&#8217; because you chose to read only part of his work and then disparage him</i>&#8221; when I didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Perhaps I should have said something like: &#8220;WTF, Greg, you jump all over me for reading only the first few pages of Gleick&#8217;s link (ref) before disparaging him (Gleick), when you didn&#8217;t even read the first word&#8221;.  I know the cases aren&#8217;t parallel, yours is a post in a widely read blog, mine is just a comment.</p>
<p>I have more response(s), but no more time, probably until tomorrow night, if then.</p>
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		By: Shawn Otto		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn Otto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AKs comments are a classic example of what psychologists call motivated reasoning - arguments we make in an attempt to convince ourselves and others of a predetermined conclusion.  This is how most people navigate life and why the scientific method is so special - it provides a method of reasoning that takes that impulse - arguing for or against a hypothesis - and puts it to test with experiment and measurement of actual reality.  That is what freed us from the confused thinking of our own ability to argue and sell, and built scientific progress over the last 400 years.  What AK is doing is the opposite - AK is cherry picking bits of information to build rhetorical arguments and sell a pre-determined conclusion, precisely what clerics did in, for example, the indictment of Galileo.  It is antiscience.  These AK arguments have an endless contrarian quality; once one misstatement or half-truth is dispelled with data, AK shifts to another.  The point isn&#039;t to find the truth, it&#039;s to win an argument.  To this end, AK often ends posts with an ad hominem jab in the form of a question, as in &quot;But it was only a joke, right?&quot; and &quot;You posted a link to this blogger without checking his refs?&quot; both of which are meant to send an emotional message that one shouldn&#039;t take Laden or the report seriously, and that it is AK who is the superior voice of reason.  This is another classic selling tactic that is emotional and manipulative, but has nothing to do with the data or methodology presented in the paper.  We can deceive ourselves and others in many ways; AK obviously enjoys the process.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AKs comments are a classic example of what psychologists call motivated reasoning &#8211; arguments we make in an attempt to convince ourselves and others of a predetermined conclusion.  This is how most people navigate life and why the scientific method is so special &#8211; it provides a method of reasoning that takes that impulse &#8211; arguing for or against a hypothesis &#8211; and puts it to test with experiment and measurement of actual reality.  That is what freed us from the confused thinking of our own ability to argue and sell, and built scientific progress over the last 400 years.  What AK is doing is the opposite &#8211; AK is cherry picking bits of information to build rhetorical arguments and sell a pre-determined conclusion, precisely what clerics did in, for example, the indictment of Galileo.  It is antiscience.  These AK arguments have an endless contrarian quality; once one misstatement or half-truth is dispelled with data, AK shifts to another.  The point isn&#8217;t to find the truth, it&#8217;s to win an argument.  To this end, AK often ends posts with an ad hominem jab in the form of a question, as in &#8220;But it was only a joke, right?&#8221; and &#8220;You posted a link to this blogger without checking his refs?&#8221; both of which are meant to send an emotional message that one shouldn&#8217;t take Laden or the report seriously, and that it is AK who is the superior voice of reason.  This is another classic selling tactic that is emotional and manipulative, but has nothing to do with the data or methodology presented in the paper.  We can deceive ourselves and others in many ways; AK obviously enjoys the process.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Kill all the blue flowers and lovely pink flowers will take their place.&lt;/em&gt;

No, no, you don&#039;t understand!  Kill all the blue flowers and half the pink flowers will volunteer to be blue! You know nothing! ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Kill all the blue flowers and lovely pink flowers will take their place.</em></p>
<p>No, no, you don&#8217;t understand!  Kill all the blue flowers and half the pink flowers will volunteer to be blue! You know nothing! </p>
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