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	Comments on: Nobel Prize for Physics: Saul Perlmutter, Brian Schmidt, Adam Riess	</title>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 14:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe that&#039;s 22nd century BC? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe that&#8217;s 22nd century BC? </p>
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		By: NJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 12:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;You need to collect these hypotheses into a neat persuasive essay, so other thinkers can make heads-or-tails of it. That&#039;s the difference between speculation and crackpottery.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Another difference, I submit, is that one may project about things in the next century whereas the other believes it gets information &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;from&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; the next century.

DH@1:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Distinction clearly made, n&#039;cest-pas?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collin@2:</p>
<blockquote><p>You need to collect these hypotheses into a neat persuasive essay, so other thinkers can make heads-or-tails of it. That&#8217;s the difference between speculation and crackpottery.</p></blockquote>
<p>Another difference, I submit, is that one may project about things in the next century whereas the other believes it gets information <em><strong>from</strong></em> the next century.</p>
<p>DH@1:</p>
<blockquote><p>Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century)</p></blockquote>
<p>Distinction clearly made, n&#8217;cest-pas?</p>
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		By: Collin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 11:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DH, that&#039;s a very disorganized post. I respect your right to think speculatively about physics -- I do that too -- but it doesn&#039;t look like you&#039;re actually exercising that right. You need to collect these hypotheses into a neat persuasive essay, so other thinkers can make heads-or-tails of it. That&#039;s the difference between speculation and crackpottery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DH, that&#8217;s a very disorganized post. I respect your right to think speculatively about physics &#8212; I do that too &#8212; but it doesn&#8217;t look like you&#8217;re actually exercising that right. You need to collect these hypotheses into a neat persuasive essay, so other thinkers can make heads-or-tails of it. That&#8217;s the difference between speculation and crackpottery.</p>
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		By: Dov Henis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dov Henis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neutrino Velocity &gt; Light Velocity?


I. From
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/09/live-chat-have-neutrinos-broken.html?ref=em&amp;elq=94d706ec04024fdc9b3ae6e49236f125 
3:05 
Alfons Weber:  
OPERA has only measured the average speed of the neutrinos from CERN to Grand Sasso. But there is no reason to assume that the neutrinos became faster or slower on their way. We actually don&#039;t know of any mechanism that could have accelerated or decelerated them on the trip.  
 
Dov Henis:
***If the total arriving neutrinos mass is less than the total starting mass their velocity would accelerate: some of the mass reconverts to energy (Einstein) acting on a decreasing mass (Newton)... 

II. 
A.
From â??Galaxy Clusters Validate Einstein&#039;s Theoryâ?
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/09/galaxy-clusters-validate-einstei.html?ref=em&amp;elq=94d706ec04024fdc9b3ae6e49236f125    

â??a classic prediction of general relativity: that light will lose energy as it is escaping a gravitational field. The stronger the field, the greater the energy loss suffered by the light. As a result, photons emitted from the center of a galaxy clusterâ??a massive object containing thousands of galaxiesâ??should lose more energy than photons coming from the edge of the cluster because gravity is strongest in the centerâ?
B.
Energy/mass dualism and light, why not and neutrinoâ?¦

By  the below updated comprehension of gravitation light will lose MASS as it is escaping a gravitational field. The stronger the field, the greater the MASS loss suffered by the light. It is due to the energy/mass dualism that the loss of mass would be loss of energyâ?¦

The universe cycles between two poles:  singularity/all-mass ,  and  maximum-expanded/nearly-all-energy.
E=Total[m(1 + D)]   (D = distance travelled by mass since singularity)

Update definition of gravitation per the above E,m,D relationship. The essence/definition of gravitation is:

â??Gravitation Is the propensity of energy reconversion to massâ?.

C.
What, whence and whither, mass format: 

In the expanding universe the point of formation of the light, or of the neutrinos,  of any mass format,  is - â??as far as the mass format is concernedâ? -  its singularity point.  Its motion distance is D.  Its m decreases as D increases, maintaining a constant mD = E and therefore accelerating  â?¦ 

Look Ma! Itâ??s Converting!

Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century)
http://universe-life.com/ 
http://universe-life.com/2011/09/21/the-lhc-chases-its-tail/

PS: 
Universe expands per Newton&#039;s motion laws, obviously... 
Also, universe physics constants should vary, probably slightly, between galaxies clusters due to varied clusters sizes...
Also, the clusters formed by dispersion at inflationâ?¦
 DH
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neutrino Velocity > Light Velocity?</p>
<p>I. From<br />
<a href="http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/09/live-chat-have-neutrinos-broken.html?ref=em&#038;elq=94d706ec04024fdc9b3ae6e49236f125" rel="nofollow ugc">http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/09/live-chat-have-neutrinos-broken.html?ref=em&#038;elq=94d706ec04024fdc9b3ae6e49236f125</a><br />
3:05<br />
Alfons Weber:<br />
OPERA has only measured the average speed of the neutrinos from CERN to Grand Sasso. But there is no reason to assume that the neutrinos became faster or slower on their way. We actually don&#8217;t know of any mechanism that could have accelerated or decelerated them on the trip.  </p>
<p>Dov Henis:<br />
***If the total arriving neutrinos mass is less than the total starting mass their velocity would accelerate: some of the mass reconverts to energy (Einstein) acting on a decreasing mass (Newton)&#8230; </p>
<p>II.<br />
A.<br />
From â??Galaxy Clusters Validate Einstein&#8217;s Theoryâ?<br />
<a href="http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/09/galaxy-clusters-validate-einstei.html?ref=em&#038;elq=94d706ec04024fdc9b3ae6e49236f125" rel="nofollow ugc">http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/09/galaxy-clusters-validate-einstei.html?ref=em&#038;elq=94d706ec04024fdc9b3ae6e49236f125</a>    </p>
<p>â??a classic prediction of general relativity: that light will lose energy as it is escaping a gravitational field. The stronger the field, the greater the energy loss suffered by the light. As a result, photons emitted from the center of a galaxy clusterâ??a massive object containing thousands of galaxiesâ??should lose more energy than photons coming from the edge of the cluster because gravity is strongest in the centerâ?<br />
B.<br />
Energy/mass dualism and light, why not and neutrinoâ?¦</p>
<p>By  the below updated comprehension of gravitation light will lose MASS as it is escaping a gravitational field. The stronger the field, the greater the MASS loss suffered by the light. It is due to the energy/mass dualism that the loss of mass would be loss of energyâ?¦</p>
<p>The universe cycles between two poles:  singularity/all-mass ,  and  maximum-expanded/nearly-all-energy.<br />
E=Total[m(1 + D)]   (D = distance travelled by mass since singularity)</p>
<p>Update definition of gravitation per the above E,m,D relationship. The essence/definition of gravitation is:</p>
<p>â??Gravitation Is the propensity of energy reconversion to massâ?.</p>
<p>C.<br />
What, whence and whither, mass format: </p>
<p>In the expanding universe the point of formation of the light, or of the neutrinos,  of any mass format,  is &#8211; â??as far as the mass format is concernedâ? &#8211;  its singularity point.  Its motion distance is D.  Its m decreases as D increases, maintaining a constant mD = E and therefore accelerating  â?¦ </p>
<p>Look Ma! Itâ??s Converting!</p>
<p>Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century)<br />
<a href="http://universe-life.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://universe-life.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://universe-life.com/2011/09/21/the-lhc-chases-its-tail/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://universe-life.com/2011/09/21/the-lhc-chases-its-tail/</a></p>
<p>PS:<br />
Universe expands per Newton&#8217;s motion laws, obviously&#8230;<br />
Also, universe physics constants should vary, probably slightly, between galaxies clusters due to varied clusters sizes&#8230;<br />
Also, the clusters formed by dispersion at inflationâ?¦<br />
 DH</p>
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