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		By: Raging Bee		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/01/commenting/#comment-12389</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Speaking of trolls, if anyone needs any background about what kind of character DavidByron really is, just look for his comments on ERV&#039;s happy little cesspool of misogyny.  He&#039;s left us plenty of...material...there for all to see.  No wonder he has a problem with the word &quot;troll&quot; -- he probably finds himself on the receiving end of it more than he likes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of trolls, if anyone needs any background about what kind of character DavidByron really is, just look for his comments on ERV&#8217;s happy little cesspool of misogyny.  He&#8217;s left us plenty of&#8230;material&#8230;there for all to see.  No wonder he has a problem with the word &#8220;troll&#8221; &#8212; he probably finds himself on the receiving end of it more than he likes.</p>
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		By: bananacat		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/01/commenting/#comment-12388</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I will probably need to be approved.]]></description>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/01/commenting/#comment-12387</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah, it didn&#039;t work out. Threads are off.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it didn&#8217;t work out. Threads are off.</p>
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		By: Raging Bee		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/01/commenting/#comment-12386</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As usual, DavidByron, you&#039;re lying, just as you were lying when you said that feminists wanted to exterminate all men.  If you know anything about the Internet, then you would know that the word &quot;troll&quot; does NOT mean what you pretend to have heard it means.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, DavidByron, you&#8217;re lying, just as you were lying when you said that feminists wanted to exterminate all men.  If you know anything about the Internet, then you would know that the word &#8220;troll&#8221; does NOT mean what you pretend to have heard it means.</p>
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		By: Raging Bee		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/01/commenting/#comment-12385</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raging Bee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For what my opinion is worth, I do NOT like threaded comments at all.  Everyone who shows up at a blog thread is able to read what I post there, and in fact, I INTEND for everyone to read my comments, just as I read all the other comments whether or not they were directed at me by name.  If I wanted to talk only to one person on a thread, I&#039;d use email; and if I comment on a blog thread that anyone can read, I can&#039;t exactly pretend I&#039;m talking ONLY to one person.

Also, the paragraph indents required just look like crap, and on a long thread with lots of comments, it becomes very hard to follow what a particular comment is responding to (unless there&#039;s a ruler-bar at the top of the screen to measure the number of indents, and even that wouldn&#039;t help much).  So why bother?  If you want to make it clear that you&#039;re responding to one particular person&#039;s statements, then address that person by name and/or repaste -- that&#039;s much easier to read anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what my opinion is worth, I do NOT like threaded comments at all.  Everyone who shows up at a blog thread is able to read what I post there, and in fact, I INTEND for everyone to read my comments, just as I read all the other comments whether or not they were directed at me by name.  If I wanted to talk only to one person on a thread, I&#8217;d use email; and if I comment on a blog thread that anyone can read, I can&#8217;t exactly pretend I&#8217;m talking ONLY to one person.</p>
<p>Also, the paragraph indents required just look like crap, and on a long thread with lots of comments, it becomes very hard to follow what a particular comment is responding to (unless there&#8217;s a ruler-bar at the top of the screen to measure the number of indents, and even that wouldn&#8217;t help much).  So why bother?  If you want to make it clear that you&#8217;re responding to one particular person&#8217;s statements, then address that person by name and/or repaste &#8212; that&#8217;s much easier to read anyway.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/01/commenting/#comment-12384</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 21:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, that is not the definition I was thinking of. A troll is someone who leaves an unattributed comment such as &quot;David Byron Drinks His Own Pee&quot;

And I delete those.  There are other kinds of commenters who are often called &quot;trolls&quot; but usually there is a more specific add on adjective.  Like &quot;concern troll&quot; for someone who pretends to be worried that someone is doing something they should not do and makes a comment to that effect. I&#039;ve found that concern trolls do a pretty good job of making themselves look like idiots, so I don&#039;t bother &quot;filtering&quot; them.

In the case of this particular crackdown on commenting, though, there was something ELSE going on in addition; Not troll behavior but simple spam, getting through the spam catcher.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that is not the definition I was thinking of. A troll is someone who leaves an unattributed comment such as &#8220;David Byron Drinks His Own Pee&#8221;</p>
<p>And I delete those.  There are other kinds of commenters who are often called &#8220;trolls&#8221; but usually there is a more specific add on adjective.  Like &#8220;concern troll&#8221; for someone who pretends to be worried that someone is doing something they should not do and makes a comment to that effect. I&#8217;ve found that concern trolls do a pretty good job of making themselves look like idiots, so I don&#8217;t bother &#8220;filtering&#8221; them.</p>
<p>In the case of this particular crackdown on commenting, though, there was something ELSE going on in addition; Not troll behavior but simple spam, getting through the spam catcher.</p>
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		By: DavidByron		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/01/commenting/#comment-12383</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 21:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Could you give an example of what you mean  by &quot;troll&quot;?  My assumption would be you mean people who disagree with you on an issue where you have a strong emotional and ideological view point but lack an ability to articulate your reasons for holding the view point.  That has been the definition I&#039;ve always found closest to how people use the word.  As such using the word &quot;troll&quot; tends to make the person using the word look the worse for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you give an example of what you mean  by &#8220;troll&#8221;?  My assumption would be you mean people who disagree with you on an issue where you have a strong emotional and ideological view point but lack an ability to articulate your reasons for holding the view point.  That has been the definition I&#8217;ve always found closest to how people use the word.  As such using the word &#8220;troll&#8221; tends to make the person using the word look the worse for it.</p>
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		By: Mr Ed		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/01/commenting/#comment-12382</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 01:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure but I think for the first time I&#039;ve been lumped in with the normal people.

Half the time I start a response to a post but get busy and never finish.  When I come back I can&#039;t tell if I&#039;ve fallen victim of moderation or failure to post.  If you don&#039;t approve of me it may be a long time before I figure it out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure but I think for the first time I&#8217;ve been lumped in with the normal people.</p>
<p>Half the time I start a response to a post but get busy and never finish.  When I come back I can&#8217;t tell if I&#8217;ve fallen victim of moderation or failure to post.  If you don&#8217;t approve of me it may be a long time before I figure it out.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/01/commenting/#comment-12381</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 00:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going out for a while this evening.  The blog is now on increased moderation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going out for a while this evening.  The blog is now on increased moderation.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/10/01/commenting/#comment-12380</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 22:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P Smith:  Good points. In this case, it&#039;s not fully proper registration ... just use a name and an email address, and I approve the first comment and after that the same name and email address is now pre-approved.  The email address need not be real, but I suppose it should look like a real email address.

In the future we will have a different system that will be easier and more fun.  I don&#039;t know the details but probably registration via SNORKING media as well as integration with SNORKING servies (like, having your comment automatically posted to your facebook page if you want, etc. ... though again, I&#039;m not sure what will be implemented).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P Smith:  Good points. In this case, it&#8217;s not fully proper registration &#8230; just use a name and an email address, and I approve the first comment and after that the same name and email address is now pre-approved.  The email address need not be real, but I suppose it should look like a real email address.</p>
<p>In the future we will have a different system that will be easier and more fun.  I don&#8217;t know the details but probably registration via SNORKING media as well as integration with SNORKING servies (like, having your comment automatically posted to your facebook page if you want, etc. &#8230; though again, I&#8217;m not sure what will be implemented).</p>
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