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	Comments on: Japan Nuclear Disaster: Update # 35	</title>
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		By: Neil Craig		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/15/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-12/#comment-508049</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Craig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 11:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No I am copnsidering people refusing to answer with evidence as evidence they, including yourself, are unable to answer with evidence.

Theoretically I could be wrong and it is just that every single alarmiost has the evidence but wants to keep quiet about it. This would be a major tactical change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I am copnsidering people refusing to answer with evidence as evidence they, including yourself, are unable to answer with evidence.</p>
<p>Theoretically I could be wrong and it is just that every single alarmiost has the evidence but wants to keep quiet about it. This would be a major tactical change.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neil, you are mistaking people ignoring you for people agreeing with you. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, you are mistaking people ignoring you for people agreeing with you. </p>
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		By: Neil Craig		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/15/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-12/#comment-508047</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Craig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see Al is unable to give a single instance when he has stated his alleged beliefs in any cuase other than anti-nuclear Liddism. 

I take it from that that he doesn&#039;t actuall believe a word he writes.

I note, also, that greg does not dispute that I simply did not &quot;just tell me that I can&#039;t have a valid opinion about nuclear energy&quot; but that his claim to be an enthusuastic supporter of nuclear was risible. I note also that he does not appear to be claiming a &quot;minor iin nuclear physics&quot; and though still claiming to be a &quot;climate scientist&quot; who receives not one cent of government money still refuses to verify.

Dies anybody now suggest, with evidence, that the nuclear industry is not as safe as the fluffy toy industry and far safer than the windmill or &quot;organic&quot; food, or other &quot;environmentalist&quot; scams?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Al is unable to give a single instance when he has stated his alleged beliefs in any cuase other than anti-nuclear Liddism. </p>
<p>I take it from that that he doesn&#8217;t actuall believe a word he writes.</p>
<p>I note, also, that greg does not dispute that I simply did not &#8220;just tell me that I can&#8217;t have a valid opinion about nuclear energy&#8221; but that his claim to be an enthusuastic supporter of nuclear was risible. I note also that he does not appear to be claiming a &#8220;minor iin nuclear physics&#8221; and though still claiming to be a &#8220;climate scientist&#8221; who receives not one cent of government money still refuses to verify.</p>
<p>Dies anybody now suggest, with evidence, that the nuclear industry is not as safe as the fluffy toy industry and far safer than the windmill or &#8220;organic&#8221; food, or other &#8220;environmentalist&#8221; scams?</p>
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		By: Neil Craig		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/15/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-12/#comment-508046</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Craig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Neil, did you just tell me that I can&#039;t have a valid opinion about nuclear energy&quot;

No Greg I didn&#039;t. If you care to read  the post you will see that I merely said that anti-nuclearists regularly claim an obviously false authority to oppose nuclear. Your obviously false authority for opposing it is claiming you syupport it.

As you know Greg I have never claimed a degree, advanced or otherwise, in climate change, however you feel it so important that anybody with credibility have one I ask you to let us know where you got yours?

Al Freebnurne&#039;s claim represents the closest to accuracy the anti-niclearists aspire to. In fact  in the last 6 months, or indeed 10 years, not a single person has died from nuclear reactors, whereas by [producing nearly 20% of the world&#039;s electricity, ot has kept 10s of millions of people alive. Assuming Al to be merely stupid rather than dishonest and assuming he ignores all the lives saved he must be on record as having claimed that every other industry in the world where no more than zero people have died has equally &quot;been nothing short of a litany of nuclear accidents, mistakes, shutdowns, miscalculations&quot;.

I would really like to see li8nks the where he, being in some way honest, has said this about the fluffy toy industry or the infinitely more dangerous wind turbine &quot;industry&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Neil, did you just tell me that I can&#8217;t have a valid opinion about nuclear energy&#8221;</p>
<p>No Greg I didn&#8217;t. If you care to read  the post you will see that I merely said that anti-nuclearists regularly claim an obviously false authority to oppose nuclear. Your obviously false authority for opposing it is claiming you syupport it.</p>
<p>As you know Greg I have never claimed a degree, advanced or otherwise, in climate change, however you feel it so important that anybody with credibility have one I ask you to let us know where you got yours?</p>
<p>Al Freebnurne&#8217;s claim represents the closest to accuracy the anti-niclearists aspire to. In fact  in the last 6 months, or indeed 10 years, not a single person has died from nuclear reactors, whereas by [producing nearly 20% of the world&#8217;s electricity, ot has kept 10s of millions of people alive. Assuming Al to be merely stupid rather than dishonest and assuming he ignores all the lives saved he must be on record as having claimed that every other industry in the world where no more than zero people have died has equally &#8220;been nothing short of a litany of nuclear accidents, mistakes, shutdowns, miscalculations&#8221;.</p>
<p>I would really like to see li8nks the where he, being in some way honest, has said this about the fluffy toy industry or the infinitely more dangerous wind turbine &#8220;industry&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Al Freeburne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al Freeburne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately for the nuclear power industry and its supporters, they are their owm worst enemies. The last six months have been nothing short of a litany of nuclear accidents, mistakes, shutdowns, miscalculations, etc. Nuclear power is doomed as a viable source of energy. It cannot be made safe or clean and should be crushed like the nasty, vile, bug that it is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately for the nuclear power industry and its supporters, they are their owm worst enemies. The last six months have been nothing short of a litany of nuclear accidents, mistakes, shutdowns, miscalculations, etc. Nuclear power is doomed as a viable source of energy. It cannot be made safe or clean and should be crushed like the nasty, vile, bug that it is.</p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/15/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-12/#comment-508044</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neil, I said you misquoted me. My comment saying so is still there for everyone to read. You did misquote me. Everyone can see it for themselves. This isn&#039;t hard--unless you&#039;re putting an awful lot of energy into showing someone making very simple statements is as dishonest as you are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, I said you misquoted me. My comment saying so is still there for everyone to read. You did misquote me. Everyone can see it for themselves. This isn&#8217;t hard&#8211;unless you&#8217;re putting an awful lot of energy into showing someone making very simple statements is as dishonest as you are.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neil, did you just tell me that I can&#039;t have a valid opinion about nuclear energy use without an advanced degree in the subject?  And your advanced degree in the subject of climate change is from what institution ... :) ... ?



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, did you just tell me that I can&#8217;t have a valid opinion about nuclear energy use without an advanced degree in the subject?  And your advanced degree in the subject of climate change is from what institution &#8230; 🙂 &#8230; ?</p>
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		By: Neil Craig		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/15/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-12/#comment-508042</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Craig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 17:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg will doubtless wish me to acknowledge that Stephanie&#039;s claim that I lied when she said dozens of people died at Fukishima represents the very highest standard of honesty to which she ever aspires and indeed the very highest standard to which any alarmist not dissociating themselves from it aspires (including you Greg).

On the other hand

post 13 from Stephanie

&quot;Neil, a couple dozen people died during the mandated evacuations of the area.&quot;

So not actually at all truthful then.

Greg I will also leave your remarks to prove your maximum honesty too.

&quot;There is no good energy&quot;
&quot;I&#039;m pretty sure that eight out of ten nuclear power plants should be shut down&quot;
&amp; 
&quot;I am very very pro nuclear technology. I love nuclear technology.&quot;

Having some experience of discussion with &quot;environmentalists&quot; I have regularly run across anti-nuclearists who claim to be nuclear physicists, nuclear engineers etc who, from the authority of their alleged qualifications, oppose nuclear. Repeatedly I have found they have not even basic schoolboy knowledge of the subject. 

Perhaps, Greg while becoming a climate scientist you also did a minor in nuclear physics? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg will doubtless wish me to acknowledge that Stephanie&#8217;s claim that I lied when she said dozens of people died at Fukishima represents the very highest standard of honesty to which she ever aspires and indeed the very highest standard to which any alarmist not dissociating themselves from it aspires (including you Greg).</p>
<p>On the other hand</p>
<p>post 13 from Stephanie</p>
<p>&#8220;Neil, a couple dozen people died during the mandated evacuations of the area.&#8221;</p>
<p>So not actually at all truthful then.</p>
<p>Greg I will also leave your remarks to prove your maximum honesty too.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no good energy&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m pretty sure that eight out of ten nuclear power plants should be shut down&#8221;<br />
&#038;<br />
&#8220;I am very very pro nuclear technology. I love nuclear technology.&#8221;</p>
<p>Having some experience of discussion with &#8220;environmentalists&#8221; I have regularly run across anti-nuclearists who claim to be nuclear physicists, nuclear engineers etc who, from the authority of their alleged qualifications, oppose nuclear. Repeatedly I have found they have not even basic schoolboy knowledge of the subject. </p>
<p>Perhaps, Greg while becoming a climate scientist you also did a minor in nuclear physics? </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 04:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike, that&#039;s a pretty general statement.  Do you have any specific points about what has been said which, if noted here, might cause us to think you are not just hawking a book in a spammish fashion?  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, that&#8217;s a pretty general statement.  Do you have any specific points about what has been said which, if noted here, might cause us to think you are not just hawking a book in a spammish fashion?  </p>
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		By: Mike Mellor		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/15/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-12/#comment-508040</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Mellor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 02:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder how this page qualified for scienceblogs.com? Irrational-emotionalblogs would be a better home for it. Lots of bad thinking both sides of the debate, obscuring the few good factual points raised. Now will everyone please get a copy of &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1444117181/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399373&amp;creativeASIN=1444117181&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Straight &amp; Crooked Thinking&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&amp;l=as2&amp;o=1&amp;a=1444117181&amp;camp=217145&amp;creative=399373&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;border:none !important; margin:0px !important;&quot; /&gt;&quot;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how this page qualified for scienceblogs.com? Irrational-emotionalblogs would be a better home for it. Lots of bad thinking both sides of the debate, obscuring the few good factual points raised. Now will everyone please get a copy of &#8220;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1444117181/ref=as_li_tf_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=wwwgregladenc-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=217145&#038;creative=399373&#038;creativeASIN=1444117181" rel="nofollow">Straight &#038; Crooked Thinking</a><img src="https://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=wwwgregladenc-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=1444117181&#038;camp=217145&#038;creative=399373" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" />&#8221;</p>
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