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		By: The cost of commemorating 9/11 exceeds the benefit. Bin Laden, dead, continues to win. - Greg Laden&#039;s Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The cost of commemorating 9/11 exceeds the benefit. Bin Laden, dead, continues to win. - Greg Laden&#039;s Blog]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] This is a piece I wrote in 2011, on the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. (Originally posted here.) [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] This is a piece I wrote in 2011, on the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. (Originally posted here.) [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Jerlene Mowen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jerlene Mowen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, awesome blog layout! How lengthy have you been running a blog for? you made running a blog glance easy. The whole look of your website is fantastic, as well as the content material!]]></description>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[asme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 04:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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[...]Generation 9/11. History will be embarrassed by us. &#124; The X Blog[...]...]]></description>
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<p>[&#8230;]Generation 9/11. History will be embarrassed by us. | The X Blog[&#8230;]&#8230;</p>
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		By: NYC Police acting like brown shirted Nazi thugs &#124; The X Blog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NYC Police acting like brown shirted Nazi thugs &#124; The X Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 05:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] officers. Well, the same thing should happen here. Some cops need to go to prison. The luster of 911 First Responder victim-hood has dulled.  Share this:StumbleUponPrintFacebookEmailDiggReddit   Posted in Bad Cops, Protest   [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] officers. Well, the same thing should happen here. Some cops need to go to prison. The luster of 911 First Responder victim-hood has dulled.  Share this:StumbleUponPrintFacebookEmailDiggReddit   Posted in Bad Cops, Protest   [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/11/generation-911-history-will-be-embarrassed-by-us/#comment-11486&quot;&gt;GregH&lt;/a&gt;.

And of course, we have all always respected our first responders and appreciated the job they&#039;ve done.  Which is not the point, of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/11/generation-911-history-will-be-embarrassed-by-us/#comment-11486">GregH</a>.</p>
<p>And of course, we have all always respected our first responders and appreciated the job they&#8217;ve done.  Which is not the point, of course.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 12:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/11/generation-911-history-will-be-embarrassed-by-us/#comment-11481&quot;&gt;Richard Simons&lt;/a&gt;.

Richard, I don&#039;t think it is new.  It has always been there, but more held in check by progressive forces.  911 crashed down more than  few buildings: It also crashed down a barrier that had been in place for decades.

There was for years a bill called &quot;Senate Bill 1&quot; introduced each year by conservatives, originally lots of Democrats, later mostly Republicans, which would have instituted absurd, police-state like laws and penalties, the federal death penalty for all sorts of crimes, special police powers, etc. etc.

It may have actually died out for a few years, but before that it was introduced regulary and voted down.

Then 9/11 happened and it came back and was passed with fanfare and we know of it now as the Patriot Act.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/11/generation-911-history-will-be-embarrassed-by-us/#comment-11481">Richard Simons</a>.</p>
<p>Richard, I don&#8217;t think it is new.  It has always been there, but more held in check by progressive forces.  911 crashed down more than  few buildings: It also crashed down a barrier that had been in place for decades.</p>
<p>There was for years a bill called &#8220;Senate Bill 1&#8221; introduced each year by conservatives, originally lots of Democrats, later mostly Republicans, which would have instituted absurd, police-state like laws and penalties, the federal death penalty for all sorts of crimes, special police powers, etc. etc.</p>
<p>It may have actually died out for a few years, but before that it was introduced regulary and voted down.</p>
<p>Then 9/11 happened and it came back and was passed with fanfare and we know of it now as the Patriot Act.</p>
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		By: AK		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[P Smith says: &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;More than a million Iraqi and Afghan civilians â€“ who had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or 9/11 â€“ have been killed by the US in ten years.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; and Shawn Smith wants a citation.  Well, I can&#039;t to that, but I can provide the following:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/20117145247361110.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gunboats and gurkhas in the American Imperium&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The drone war has developed its own slang. The scared humans on the ground running for cover are labelled &#039;squirters.&#039; Successful attacks are called &#039;bugsplats&#039;. The likeness with extermination of insects is evidently not lost on the drone warriors. Many drone operators have commented on its &#039;antiseptic&#039; nature and the emotional detachment it engenders. &quot;It&#039;s like a video game,&quot; said one to Peter Singer, author of Wired for War, &quot;It can get a little bloodthirsty. But it&#039;s fucking cool.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The drone attacks in Pakistan which started while Pervez Musharraf was president intensified immediately on his departure. There were a total of 17 drone strikes during his presidency which ended on August 18, 2008. Since then, there have been 236. In a 2009 interview with Seymour Hersh, Musharraf confessed to being &#039;troubled&#039; by this development. But his reservations had less to do with the human cost of the attacks than with the resulting perception of the Pakistani state&#039;s increasing impotence. After his request for the transfer of the drones to Pakistani control was turned down, Musharraf said he had to beg the US officials to &#039;just say publicly that you&#039;re giving them to us. You keep on firing them but put Pakistan Air Force markings on them.&#039;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve got a post partway written which I&#039;ll probably never finish, but I&#039;m sharing this with you.

Also:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46114&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TSA Creator Says Dismantle, Privatize the Agency&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Theyâ€™ve been accused of rampant thievery, spending billions of dollars like drunken sailors, groping children and little old ladies, and making everyone take off their shoes.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Yet a decade after the TSA was created following the September 11 attacks, the author of the legislation that established the massive agency grades its performance at â€œD-.â€&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;As for keeping the American public safe, Mica says, â€œTheyâ€™ve failed to actually detect any threat in 10 years.â€&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;â€œEverything they have done has been reactive.  They take shoes off because of [shoe-bomber] Richard Reid, passengers are patted down because of the diaper bomber, and you canâ€™t pack liquids because the British uncovered a plot using liquids,â€ Mica said.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And much more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P Smith says: </p>
<blockquote><p><i>More than a million Iraqi and Afghan civilians â€“ who had nothing to do with Al Qaeda or 9/11 â€“ have been killed by the US in ten years.</i></p></blockquote>
<p> and Shawn Smith wants a citation.  Well, I can&#8217;t to that, but I can provide the following:</p>
<p><a href="http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/20117145247361110.html" rel="nofollow">Gunboats and gurkhas in the American Imperium</a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>The drone war has developed its own slang. The scared humans on the ground running for cover are labelled &#8216;squirters.&#8217; Successful attacks are called &#8216;bugsplats&#8217;. The likeness with extermination of insects is evidently not lost on the drone warriors. Many drone operators have commented on its &#8216;antiseptic&#8217; nature and the emotional detachment it engenders. &#8220;It&#8217;s like a video game,&#8221; said one to Peter Singer, author of Wired for War, &#8220;It can get a little bloodthirsty. But it&#8217;s fucking cool.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>And&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><i>The drone attacks in Pakistan which started while Pervez Musharraf was president intensified immediately on his departure. There were a total of 17 drone strikes during his presidency which ended on August 18, 2008. Since then, there have been 236. In a 2009 interview with Seymour Hersh, Musharraf confessed to being &#8216;troubled&#8217; by this development. But his reservations had less to do with the human cost of the attacks than with the resulting perception of the Pakistani state&#8217;s increasing impotence. After his request for the transfer of the drones to Pakistani control was turned down, Musharraf said he had to beg the US officials to &#8216;just say publicly that you&#8217;re giving them to us. You keep on firing them but put Pakistan Air Force markings on them.&#8217;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a post partway written which I&#8217;ll probably never finish, but I&#8217;m sharing this with you.</p>
<p>Also:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46114" rel="nofollow">TSA Creator Says Dismantle, Privatize the Agency</a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>Theyâ€™ve been accused of rampant thievery, spending billions of dollars like drunken sailors, groping children and little old ladies, and making everyone take off their shoes.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>And&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Yet a decade after the TSA was created following the September 11 attacks, the author of the legislation that established the massive agency grades its performance at â€œD-.â€</i></p></blockquote>
<p>And&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><i>As for keeping the American public safe, Mica says, â€œTheyâ€™ve failed to actually detect any threat in 10 years.â€</i></p></blockquote>
<p>And&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><i>â€œEverything they have done has been reactive.  They take shoes off because of [shoe-bomber] Richard Reid, passengers are patted down because of the diaper bomber, and you canâ€™t pack liquids because the British uncovered a plot using liquids,â€ Mica said.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>And much more.</p>
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		By: annp		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 05:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And when Rick Perry says he&#039;s never had doubts about executing 234 people in Texas, people in the audience applaud. Because 234 executions are the result of an &#039;effective&#039; police force, a drum-tight tribe of evidence-respecting prosecutors, and a non-activist judiciary.  

Make all your appeals, death-row inmates, because Texas is fair.  We aim to treat everyone the same.........&lt;i&gt;We&#039;re gonna execute all y&#039;all.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And when Rick Perry says he&#8217;s never had doubts about executing 234 people in Texas, people in the audience applaud. Because 234 executions are the result of an &#8216;effective&#8217; police force, a drum-tight tribe of evidence-respecting prosecutors, and a non-activist judiciary.  </p>
<p>Make all your appeals, death-row inmates, because Texas is fair.  We aim to treat everyone the same&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<i>We&#8217;re gonna execute all y&#8217;all.</i></p>
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		By: GregH		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Post 911 first responders think they are the shit because hundreds of them died in the World Trade Center.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This is right.  We were out for a visit in a small town (Pop. ~1200) in rural Alberta yesterday, and the fire and police folks were having a Special Memorial (including bagpiper, which is how you know it&#039;s SERIOUS.)  It&#039;s like anyone who&#039;s a policeman or firefighter all of a sudden belongs to a giant fraternal organization/tribe/cult.  This was arguably true before 9/11, but that event really made it clear.  But that leads directly to the &quot;we&#039;ll take it from here&quot; cartoon showing the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.ca/search?tbm=isch&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&#038;hl=en&#038;source=hp&#038;biw=1400&#038;bih=720&#038;q=we%27ll+take+it+from+here&#038;gbv=2&#038;oq=we%27ll+take+i&#038;aq=2&#038;aqi=g1&#038;aql=&#038;gs_sm=c&#038;gs_upl=854l4853l0l6725l12l12l0l3l3l1l249l1943l0.3.6l9l0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;firefighter handing over the American flag to a marine. &lt;/a&gt;  

This is a permanent gift to the forces that think the modern state is built on military might.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Post 911 first responders think they are the shit because hundreds of them died in the World Trade Center.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This is right.  We were out for a visit in a small town (Pop. ~1200) in rural Alberta yesterday, and the fire and police folks were having a Special Memorial (including bagpiper, which is how you know it&#8217;s SERIOUS.)  It&#8217;s like anyone who&#8217;s a policeman or firefighter all of a sudden belongs to a giant fraternal organization/tribe/cult.  This was arguably true before 9/11, but that event really made it clear.  But that leads directly to the &#8220;we&#8217;ll take it from here&#8221; cartoon showing the <a href="http://www.google.ca/search?tbm=isch&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;biw=1400&amp;bih=720&amp;q=we%27ll+take+it+from+here&amp;gbv=2&amp;oq=we%27ll+take+i&amp;aq=2&amp;aqi=g1&amp;aql=&amp;gs_sm=c&amp;gs_upl=854l4853l0l6725l12l12l0l3l3l1l249l1943l0.3.6l9l0" rel="nofollow">firefighter handing over the American flag to a marine. </a>  </p>
<p>This is a permanent gift to the forces that think the modern state is built on military might.</p>
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		By: Generation 9/11. History will be embarrassed by us. &#124; The X Blog &#124; Dave Thompson Photography		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 04:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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