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		By: Abbie Hoffman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abbie Hoffman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2015 05:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(sigh) 
Well Laden I will tell you what you missed. You missed that this is complete nonsense, And to be honest, I have no idea why I am bothering to add this comment, Because a closet fascist can never be reasoned with. And you will just ban me after I win the argument, And then after you ban me, You will make serious accusations about me, with no proof. That is what you do to anyone that does not agree with you. However Laden, I hope one day you can let go of your bitterness. Once you do, you will be a much happier person. God bless. 

And to everyone else, Please educate yourselves, Do your own fact finding. Do not listen to people like this man. And never take anything as truth unless you see absolute proof. A blog or book somebody wrote is not fact or proof. But from my own research I have learned this is complete fantasy. But do not believe me simply because I said, Do your own fact finding. It is not hard, I promise.   Peace everyone.]]></description>
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Well Laden I will tell you what you missed. You missed that this is complete nonsense, And to be honest, I have no idea why I am bothering to add this comment, Because a closet fascist can never be reasoned with. And you will just ban me after I win the argument, And then after you ban me, You will make serious accusations about me, with no proof. That is what you do to anyone that does not agree with you. However Laden, I hope one day you can let go of your bitterness. Once you do, you will be a much happier person. God bless. </p>
<p>And to everyone else, Please educate yourselves, Do your own fact finding. Do not listen to people like this man. And never take anything as truth unless you see absolute proof. A blog or book somebody wrote is not fact or proof. But from my own research I have learned this is complete fantasy. But do not believe me simply because I said, Do your own fact finding. It is not hard, I promise.   Peace everyone.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I stand by with the ice pack for when they take one in the head. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand by with the ice pack for when they take one in the head. </p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/06/cloud-gate-link-cloud/#comment-507737</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, he stated you are an &quot;umpaid ...&quot;. I didn&#039;t know you spent your time assisting baseball umpires. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, he stated you are an &#8220;umpaid &#8230;&#8221;. I didn&#8217;t know you spent your time assisting baseball umpires. </p>
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		By: Raging Bee		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/06/cloud-gate-link-cloud/#comment-507736</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raging Bee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 01:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good Gods, Neil, do you really still think anyone is gonna take you seriously anymore?  Go have a restful day on the warm sunny beaches of Minnesota and spend some liesure time looking at a map, okay?

What a fucking idiot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Gods, Neil, do you really still think anyone is gonna take you seriously anymore?  Go have a restful day on the warm sunny beaches of Minnesota and spend some liesure time looking at a map, okay?</p>
<p>What a fucking idiot.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 16:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neil, I&#039;m not sure what a &quot;part time assistant teacher&quot; is but I&#039;m not one.  That is incorrect. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, I&#8217;m not sure what a &#8220;part time assistant teacher&#8221; is but I&#8217;m not one.  That is incorrect. </p>
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		By: Neil Craig		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Craig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 11:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So allegedly not a 
&quot;part time assistant teacher of anthropology&quot;
but an 
umpaid &quot;part time assistant teacher of anthropology&quot;

Liar.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So allegedly not a<br />
&#8220;part time assistant teacher of anthropology&#8221;<br />
but an<br />
umpaid &#8220;part time assistant teacher of anthropology&#8221;</p>
<p>Liar.</p>
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		By: Raging Bee		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/06/cloud-gate-link-cloud/#comment-507733</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raging Bee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I haven&#039;t visited Minnesota and it may be a warm place with a large coastal area...&lt;/i&gt;

Neil can&#039;t find Minnesota on a fucking map (or maybe he can&#039;t find the Atlantic Ocean?), but he knows damn well that all the climate scientists are wrong about the climate, and we can all trust his word that Greg is censoring him (except when he&#039;s not).

So tell us, Neil, does your silly little &quot;9% Growth Party&quot; have &quot;teach kids basic geography so they can get jobs and spur growth&quot; in its campaign platform?

Neil isn&#039;t just stupid, he&#039;s pathologically uneducable.  Oh well, at least he admitted Greg has an education, even if he tried to portray it as a bad thing...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I haven&#8217;t visited Minnesota and it may be a warm place with a large coastal area&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Neil can&#8217;t find Minnesota on a fucking map (or maybe he can&#8217;t find the Atlantic Ocean?), but he knows damn well that all the climate scientists are wrong about the climate, and we can all trust his word that Greg is censoring him (except when he&#8217;s not).</p>
<p>So tell us, Neil, does your silly little &#8220;9% Growth Party&#8221; have &#8220;teach kids basic geography so they can get jobs and spur growth&#8221; in its campaign platform?</p>
<p>Neil isn&#8217;t just stupid, he&#8217;s pathologically uneducable.  Oh well, at least he admitted Greg has an education, even if he tried to portray it as a bad thing&#8230;</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t work for the University of Minnesota.  

The kind of anthropology I do is usually not part of UK anthropology departments.  Yes, the fields are quite different.

Minnesota is no where near a coast.

And that comment was so obnoxious that I think it will be your last one here. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t work for the University of Minnesota.  </p>
<p>The kind of anthropology I do is usually not part of UK anthropology departments.  Yes, the fields are quite different.</p>
<p>Minnesota is no where near a coast.</p>
<p>And that comment was so obnoxious that I think it will be your last one here. </p>
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		By: Neil Craiog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Craiog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 12:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[     The Greg Laden site on the string of related American sites called &quot;Scienceblogs&quot; is arguably the most prominent.

     Greg is a catastrophic warming supporter, which is his right. He censors opposing views or even questions put courteously which is his right because, as he explains its his site, though incompatible with any claim to &quot;science&quot;.

   He has claimed to be opposed to censorship. saying &quot;Censorship is the second to last refuge of tyrants, the last is violence&quot; (#23) a refreshingly liberal (in the true meaning of the term) viewpoint on &quot;scienceblogs&quot; where 9 sites, at last count, promote censorship. Rather than answer the 7 questions any climate alarmist should be able to easily answer if it is true, he simply censored them. 

    Note that he does not delete ad homs or indeed obscenity, which are clearly, after all, the stock in trade of climate alarmist &quot;scientists&quot;, particularly those &quot;peer reviewed and published in the finest journals&quot; http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2011/07/ever (#5) (although he did censor some criticisms made in return, neither ad hom nor remotely obscene since I don&#039;t find that persuasive). Indeed, while censoring me, he recently passed a comment that I should be glad Greg hasn&#039;t come round to my house and cut off my head which is the last argument he allegedly disapproves of.

   It is his choice to run his site that way. However he does worse than that.
   Greg has also claimed to be the sole scientist anywhere in the world who supports warming catastrophism and is not paid by the state. Not one single cent.

   He has also claimed to be a &quot;climate scientist&quot;.

   Indeed he has been given numerous opportunities to say the &quot;misspoke&quot; (a la Clinton), panicked or that the claim needs &quot;clarifying&quot; (a term often used by British politicians caught lying). He has, repeatedly, stood by his claim. 

But

Greg Laden is a Biological Anthropologist, studying human evolution, with degrees from Harvard University. He has taught at several universities, including Harvard and is currently a part time Assistant Professor at the University of Minnesota. He is an independent scholar who blogs athttp://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/.  http://myudaily.com/volblogs/newscommentary/religionspirituality/greg-laden-an-interview-with-a-biological-anthropologist-and-blogger/

  Not a wise move when elsewhere claiming to be a climate scientist receiving not one cent from government. Though his &quot;scienceblogs&quot; bio is replete with &quot;did I mention Harvard&quot;&#039;s it is astonishingly less forthcoming about his present role as a part time assistant teacher at Minnesota U.

    University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (U of M) is a public research university and A public university is one that is predominantly funded by public means 

    So the alleged only scientist anywhere in the world who supports warming catastrophism while receiving not a cent from the government  is actually an assistant teacher of anthropology, largely or entirely paid by said government (at what I understand Americans call a &quot;cow college&quot; rather than Harvard). 

     Laden has clearly, deliberately and continuously lied and if the entire &quot;scienceblogs&quot; site and anybody connected is not to it is not to be wholly discredited as not being in any way connected to scientific principles it is impossible he could remain on it.
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   Knowing a little about anthropology in academe in Britain I can say that it is largely a matter of keeping ones tongue between the cheeks of those above you on the ladder while refusing to notice any scientific evidence which does not suit the politically correct paradigm (admittedly difficult to do otherwise in such a position). Rather than being a real science it is very much the sort of &quot;science&quot; Richard Feynman described in his &quot;Cargo Cult Science&quot; lecture.

     Perhaps American anthropology is totally different and a real science.

     Perhaps his interest in (and possible limited understanding of CAGW) is inspired by coworkers, friends and neighbours. I haven&#039;t visited Minnesota and it may be a warm place with a large coastal area which would explain the local&#039;s interest in the possible bad effects of warming. Indeed it must be so because pathetic as it is to lie on the subject it would be unbelievably pathetic to lie in a way that will not impress coworkers and neighbours.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>     The Greg Laden site on the string of related American sites called &#8220;Scienceblogs&#8221; is arguably the most prominent.</p>
<p>     Greg is a catastrophic warming supporter, which is his right. He censors opposing views or even questions put courteously which is his right because, as he explains its his site, though incompatible with any claim to &#8220;science&#8221;.</p>
<p>   He has claimed to be opposed to censorship. saying &#8220;Censorship is the second to last refuge of tyrants, the last is violence&#8221; (#23) a refreshingly liberal (in the true meaning of the term) viewpoint on &#8220;scienceblogs&#8221; where 9 sites, at last count, promote censorship. Rather than answer the 7 questions any climate alarmist should be able to easily answer if it is true, he simply censored them. </p>
<p>    Note that he does not delete ad homs or indeed obscenity, which are clearly, after all, the stock in trade of climate alarmist &#8220;scientists&#8221;, particularly those &#8220;peer reviewed and published in the finest journals&#8221; <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2011/07/ever" rel="nofollow ugc">http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2011/07/ever</a> (#5) (although he did censor some criticisms made in return, neither ad hom nor remotely obscene since I don&#8217;t find that persuasive). Indeed, while censoring me, he recently passed a comment that I should be glad Greg hasn&#8217;t come round to my house and cut off my head which is the last argument he allegedly disapproves of.</p>
<p>   It is his choice to run his site that way. However he does worse than that.<br />
   Greg has also claimed to be the sole scientist anywhere in the world who supports warming catastrophism and is not paid by the state. Not one single cent.</p>
<p>   He has also claimed to be a &#8220;climate scientist&#8221;.</p>
<p>   Indeed he has been given numerous opportunities to say the &#8220;misspoke&#8221; (a la Clinton), panicked or that the claim needs &#8220;clarifying&#8221; (a term often used by British politicians caught lying). He has, repeatedly, stood by his claim. </p>
<p>But</p>
<p>Greg Laden is a Biological Anthropologist, studying human evolution, with degrees from Harvard University. He has taught at several universities, including Harvard and is currently a part time Assistant Professor at the University of Minnesota. He is an independent scholar who blogs athttp://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/.  <a href="http://myudaily.com/volblogs/newscommentary/religionspirituality/greg-laden-an-interview-with-a-biological-anthropologist-and-blogger/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://myudaily.com/volblogs/newscommentary/religionspirituality/greg-laden-an-interview-with-a-biological-anthropologist-and-blogger/</a></p>
<p>  Not a wise move when elsewhere claiming to be a climate scientist receiving not one cent from government. Though his &#8220;scienceblogs&#8221; bio is replete with &#8220;did I mention Harvard&#8221;&#8216;s it is astonishingly less forthcoming about his present role as a part time assistant teacher at Minnesota U.</p>
<p>    University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (U of M) is a public research university and A public university is one that is predominantly funded by public means </p>
<p>    So the alleged only scientist anywhere in the world who supports warming catastrophism while receiving not a cent from the government  is actually an assistant teacher of anthropology, largely or entirely paid by said government (at what I understand Americans call a &#8220;cow college&#8221; rather than Harvard). </p>
<p>     Laden has clearly, deliberately and continuously lied and if the entire &#8220;scienceblogs&#8221; site and anybody connected is not to it is not to be wholly discredited as not being in any way connected to scientific principles it is impossible he could remain on it.<br />
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<p>   Knowing a little about anthropology in academe in Britain I can say that it is largely a matter of keeping ones tongue between the cheeks of those above you on the ladder while refusing to notice any scientific evidence which does not suit the politically correct paradigm (admittedly difficult to do otherwise in such a position). Rather than being a real science it is very much the sort of &#8220;science&#8221; Richard Feynman described in his &#8220;Cargo Cult Science&#8221; lecture.</p>
<p>     Perhaps American anthropology is totally different and a real science.</p>
<p>     Perhaps his interest in (and possible limited understanding of CAGW) is inspired by coworkers, friends and neighbours. I haven&#8217;t visited Minnesota and it may be a warm place with a large coastal area which would explain the local&#8217;s interest in the possible bad effects of warming. Indeed it must be so because pathetic as it is to lie on the subject it would be unbelievably pathetic to lie in a way that will not impress coworkers and neighbours.</p>
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		By: Raging Bee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raging Bee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 18:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I used to read a &quot;science fact&quot; article he wrote regularly for Galaxy magazine: lots of really good (or at least cool) ideas, my faves of which were: solar-power satellites beaming unlimited energy back to Earth in the form of microwaves (gotta be careful with the aim though); and laser-propulsion for reusable ground-to-orbit rockets (again, gotta watch the aim or the rocket loses power way too soon).

But his SF was crap, all the characters acted like cardboard cut-outs from a propagandist history textbook, he was clearly a bad Heinlein wannabee, and his hatred of liberals (especially the environmentalist kind) just oozed from every page.  I can see why Reagan&#039;s boy-geniasses loved him (he was an early proponent of &quot;missle-eating lasers&quot; with no regard to the complexities of identifying, targeting, and destroying incoming ICBMs in any of their flight-phases).  I can also see that Neil has swallowed all of his fantasies without even allowing for new knowledge or previous experience between the &#039;70s and today.

(Also, FWIW, I heard Pournelle supported intelligent design -- probably just because he couldn&#039;t bear to admit liberals were right about anything.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to read a &#8220;science fact&#8221; article he wrote regularly for Galaxy magazine: lots of really good (or at least cool) ideas, my faves of which were: solar-power satellites beaming unlimited energy back to Earth in the form of microwaves (gotta be careful with the aim though); and laser-propulsion for reusable ground-to-orbit rockets (again, gotta watch the aim or the rocket loses power way too soon).</p>
<p>But his SF was crap, all the characters acted like cardboard cut-outs from a propagandist history textbook, he was clearly a bad Heinlein wannabee, and his hatred of liberals (especially the environmentalist kind) just oozed from every page.  I can see why Reagan&#8217;s boy-geniasses loved him (he was an early proponent of &#8220;missle-eating lasers&#8221; with no regard to the complexities of identifying, targeting, and destroying incoming ICBMs in any of their flight-phases).  I can also see that Neil has swallowed all of his fantasies without even allowing for new knowledge or previous experience between the &#8217;70s and today.</p>
<p>(Also, FWIW, I heard Pournelle supported intelligent design &#8212; probably just because he couldn&#8217;t bear to admit liberals were right about anything.)</p>
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