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		By: ligne		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/global-warming-separating-the/#comment-507574</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ligne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 09:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I can&#039;t even count the *hundreds* of different people who claim to &quot;remember&quot; or &quot;were told&quot; or &quot;learned in school&quot; of the Fear Of An Ice Age In The &#039;70s.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

hey, be easy on them -- maybe they got all their education from Time magazine ;-)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I can&#8217;t even count the *hundreds* of different people who claim to &#8220;remember&#8221; or &#8220;were told&#8221; or &#8220;learned in school&#8221; of the Fear Of An Ice Age In The &#8217;70s.</p></blockquote>
<p>hey, be easy on them &#8212; maybe they got all their education from Time magazine 😉</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 20:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I was a teenager back then...&quot;

I was too, in the early 70s. For the most part the only Ice Age threats I heard were from the ladies: &quot;Earth will freeze over before ....&quot; (happily that changed in college)

From scientists? Not so much ice gloom and doom.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was a teenager back then&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I was too, in the early 70s. For the most part the only Ice Age threats I heard were from the ladies: &#8220;Earth will freeze over before &#8230;.&#8221; (happily that changed in college)</p>
<p>From scientists? Not so much ice gloom and doom.</p>
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		By: Raging Bee		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/global-warming-separating-the/#comment-507572</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raging Bee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I can&#039;t even count the *hundreds* of different people who claim to &quot;remember&quot; or &quot;were told&quot; or &quot;learned in school&quot; of the Fear Of An Ice Age In The &#039;70s.&lt;/i&gt;

I was a teenager back then, and the only thing I remember along those lines was an ad for a movie about an Ice Age freezing all of Europe (called &quot;Ice&quot; IIRC).  Never saw the movie, never heard any buzz about it, never heard anyone mention it since, even disaster-movie fans.  That&#039;s it.  The rest is nothing but made-up bullshit, a blatant attempt to rewrite history.  Just another flat-out lie from the same assholes who steal email without a warrant, lie about what said email says, and call it &quot;science.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I can&#8217;t even count the *hundreds* of different people who claim to &#8220;remember&#8221; or &#8220;were told&#8221; or &#8220;learned in school&#8221; of the Fear Of An Ice Age In The &#8217;70s.</i></p>
<p>I was a teenager back then, and the only thing I remember along those lines was an ad for a movie about an Ice Age freezing all of Europe (called &#8220;Ice&#8221; IIRC).  Never saw the movie, never heard any buzz about it, never heard anyone mention it since, even disaster-movie fans.  That&#8217;s it.  The rest is nothing but made-up bullshit, a blatant attempt to rewrite history.  Just another flat-out lie from the same assholes who steal email without a warrant, lie about what said email says, and call it &#8220;science.&#8221;</p>
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		By: TTT		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Others have already pointed out Nick&#039;s lies and stupidity, but let&#039;s not overlook:  

&lt;i&gt;If scientists went that route in the 70&#039;s--when the scare was a coming ice age, due to our pollutants&lt;/i&gt;

There was no such &quot;scare&quot; and scientists never said any such thing.  Don&#039;t bother disagreeing:  you are wrong and your opinion is worthless.  

It never ceases to amaze me how the denialists are able to cultivate false memories for themselves and succeed at convincing themselves that their own false memories are true.  I can&#039;t even count the *hundreds* of different people who claim to &quot;remember&quot; or &quot;were told&quot; or &quot;learned in school&quot; of the Fear Of An Ice Age In The &#039;70s.  This is no less delusionally dishonest than accusations of witchcraft or ritual Satanic child abuse.  It&#039;s the technique that allows people to kill without guilt.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Others have already pointed out Nick&#8217;s lies and stupidity, but let&#8217;s not overlook:  </p>
<p><i>If scientists went that route in the 70&#8217;s&#8211;when the scare was a coming ice age, due to our pollutants</i></p>
<p>There was no such &#8220;scare&#8221; and scientists never said any such thing.  Don&#8217;t bother disagreeing:  you are wrong and your opinion is worthless.  </p>
<p>It never ceases to amaze me how the denialists are able to cultivate false memories for themselves and succeed at convincing themselves that their own false memories are true.  I can&#8217;t even count the *hundreds* of different people who claim to &#8220;remember&#8221; or &#8220;were told&#8221; or &#8220;learned in school&#8221; of the Fear Of An Ice Age In The &#8217;70s.  This is no less delusionally dishonest than accusations of witchcraft or ritual Satanic child abuse.  It&#8217;s the technique that allows people to kill without guilt.  </p>
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		By: Cornflower		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornflower]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Other ways of saying Signal to noise ratio:

Muddying the Waters
Diversionary Tactics
Too Much Information

The AGW deniers have a very effective way of adding noise to the debate.  They use well-funded right-wing think-tanks who have over the last few decades prepared and funded &quot;commentators&quot; to get on mainstream media.  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other ways of saying Signal to noise ratio:</p>
<p>Muddying the Waters<br />
Diversionary Tactics<br />
Too Much Information</p>
<p>The AGW deniers have a very effective way of adding noise to the debate.  They use well-funded right-wing think-tanks who have over the last few decades prepared and funded &#8220;commentators&#8221; to get on mainstream media.  </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I just know that sometimes full copies with an embargo note are sent out to journalists in advance.&quot;

In this case I was sent a copy &quot;In advance&quot; but there also was no embargo!  I don&#039;t know if the embargo was broken, if this journal only embargoes some items, or what .... it is a little strange that something can be published on line in advance.  PNAS does this too ... I believe this is a left-over fetish whereby issues have fixed publication dates that related to actual printers and dead trees and stuff.  

Anyway, yeah, I don&#039;t think anyone is jumping on anyone.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I just know that sometimes full copies with an embargo note are sent out to journalists in advance.&#8221;</p>
<p>In this case I was sent a copy &#8220;In advance&#8221; but there also was no embargo!  I don&#8217;t know if the embargo was broken, if this journal only embargoes some items, or what &#8230;. it is a little strange that something can be published on line in advance.  PNAS does this too &#8230; I believe this is a left-over fetish whereby issues have fixed publication dates that related to actual printers and dead trees and stuff.  </p>
<p>Anyway, yeah, I don&#8217;t think anyone is jumping on anyone.  </p>
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		By: Raging Bee		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/global-warming-separating-the/#comment-507568</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raging Bee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 14:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It never surprises me the ferocity with which AGW deniers ignore science. It almost rises to the level of religious fervor.&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Almost?&quot;  It IS religious fervor, nothing more or less.  These people are retreating from reality into a world of pure tribalistic bigotry.  This new wave of anti-rationalism is what Marx might have called the crack cocaine of the masses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It never surprises me the ferocity with which AGW deniers ignore science. It almost rises to the level of religious fervor.</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Almost?&#8221;  It IS religious fervor, nothing more or less.  These people are retreating from reality into a world of pure tribalistic bigotry.  This new wave of anti-rationalism is what Marx might have called the crack cocaine of the masses.</p>
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		By: Spence_UK		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spence_UK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 13:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Greg.  Didn&#039;t mean to suggest that you might be breaking an embargo (clearly the abstract is up so the paper isn&#039;t under wraps), I just know that sometimes full copies with an embargo note are sent out to journalists in advance.

&quot;Always Curious&quot;, I&#039;m not sure why you think I jumped on Greg?  My question was genuine.  I can&#039;t see the paper and I wondered if I was missing something.  I know I can get it from my local tech library (which has access to most journals etc. online) but I just wanted to be sure the article was there prior to making the trip.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Greg.  Didn&#8217;t mean to suggest that you might be breaking an embargo (clearly the abstract is up so the paper isn&#8217;t under wraps), I just know that sometimes full copies with an embargo note are sent out to journalists in advance.</p>
<p>&#8220;Always Curious&#8221;, I&#8217;m not sure why you think I jumped on Greg?  My question was genuine.  I can&#8217;t see the paper and I wondered if I was missing something.  I know I can get it from my local tech library (which has access to most journals etc. online) but I just wanted to be sure the article was there prior to making the trip.</p>
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		By: JMurphy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JMurphy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Joe, there is a very accessible page about &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ice Ages on Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;. That will tell you all you need to know about how and why ice-sheets come and go, and points to further information if you need it. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, there is a very accessible page about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age" rel="nofollow">Ice Ages on Wikipedia</a>. That will tell you all you need to know about how and why ice-sheets come and go, and points to further information if you need it. </p>
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		By: Greg laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 05:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Joe, and your point is?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, and your point is?</p>
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