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	Comments on: Bachmann&#8217;s Buddy Advocates Death to &#8230; well, lots of people.	</title>
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		By: Steve		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/bachmanns-buddy-advocates-death-to-well-lots-of-people/#comment-11189</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 23:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s suggesting that parents who hire, or try to, an &#039;abortionist&#039; should be executed?  So, what; do we wait until the baby has been born and then kill its Father and Mother?  Who, then, cares for the now-Orphan?  Of course, once the sprog is born, these folk don&#039;t give a shit, apart from not wanting to spend any money on giving the kid a decent, warm, caring upbringing and education.
Insode the womb, it&#039;s a beautiful soul, beloved by god.  Outside, it&#039;s suddenly unwanted and despised.  Mmmm, Christian love!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s suggesting that parents who hire, or try to, an &#8216;abortionist&#8217; should be executed?  So, what; do we wait until the baby has been born and then kill its Father and Mother?  Who, then, cares for the now-Orphan?  Of course, once the sprog is born, these folk don&#8217;t give a shit, apart from not wanting to spend any money on giving the kid a decent, warm, caring upbringing and education.<br />
Insode the womb, it&#8217;s a beautiful soul, beloved by god.  Outside, it&#8217;s suddenly unwanted and despised.  Mmmm, Christian love!</p>
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		By: Susannah		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/bachmanns-buddy-advocates-death-to-well-lots-of-people/#comment-11188</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susannah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 21:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;â€¦we must elect public officials who say they will vote for Biblical laws. First and foremost, this means voting to prohibit abortion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They keep on saying this, proving they haven&#039;t bothered to read the Bible. What does it say about abortion? 1. It is mentioned as part of war; ripping pregnant women up the bellies with a sword. (Example - I Kings 15:16) This is not what qualifies as abortion at this time; the current intent is to keep the mother alive.

Or, 2: Abortion as unintended consequence of a fight. No big deal. Pay the father a fine. One verse only. (Exodus 21:22)

That&#039;s it. The Bible says nothing about prohibiting abortion, nothing about penalties for abortion with intent. And yet preachers keep on telling us it is an important part of Biblical Christianity.

I don&#039;t think they care what the Bible says, at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>â€¦we must elect public officials who say they will vote for Biblical laws. First and foremost, this means voting to prohibit abortion.</p></blockquote>
<p>They keep on saying this, proving they haven&#8217;t bothered to read the Bible. What does it say about abortion? 1. It is mentioned as part of war; ripping pregnant women up the bellies with a sword. (Example &#8211; I Kings 15:16) This is not what qualifies as abortion at this time; the current intent is to keep the mother alive.</p>
<p>Or, 2: Abortion as unintended consequence of a fight. No big deal. Pay the father a fine. One verse only. (Exodus 21:22)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it. The Bible says nothing about prohibiting abortion, nothing about penalties for abortion with intent. And yet preachers keep on telling us it is an important part of Biblical Christianity.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they care what the Bible says, at all.</p>
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		By: quincyme1970		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/bachmanns-buddy-advocates-death-to-well-lots-of-people/#comment-11187</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 17:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WANKER

Yes I know it&#039;s childish, but it&#039;s how I feel.]]></description>
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<p>Yes I know it&#8217;s childish, but it&#8217;s how I feel.</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/bachmanns-buddy-advocates-death-to-well-lots-of-people/#comment-11186</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 15:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/bachmanns-buddy-advocates-death-to-well-lots-of-people/#comment-11184&quot;&gt;StevoR&lt;/a&gt;.

D&#039;oh! Typos.  

&quot;they&#039;re&quot; is meant to be &quot;their&quot; &#038; homicide-Suicide bombers also. 

Too tired. Time for bed for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/bachmanns-buddy-advocates-death-to-well-lots-of-people/#comment-11184">StevoR</a>.</p>
<p>D&#8217;oh! Typos.  </p>
<p>&#8220;they&#8217;re&#8221; is meant to be &#8220;their&#8221; &amp; homicide-Suicide bombers also. </p>
<p>Too tired. Time for bed for me.</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/bachmanns-buddy-advocates-death-to-well-lots-of-people/#comment-11185</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StevoR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 15:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just had a look at this link from here :

http://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/29/what-would-dominionists-do-with-gays/ 

From there this :


&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Dr. Gordon is worried about high divorce rates. I have a solution to this problem. Re-write the civil laws governing adultery so that the victimized spouse can have a civil court order the execution of a convicted adulterous spouse and his/her consort. The divorce rate would drop â€“ dare I say it? â€” like a stone.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I .. uh.. what .. SERIOUSLY?!? 

In the year 2011? In the United States? I don&#039;t believe it.

Wow. :-o]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had a look at this link from here :</p>
<p><a href="http://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/29/what-would-dominionists-do-with-gays/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://wthrockmorton.com/2011/08/29/what-would-dominionists-do-with-gays/</a> </p>
<p>From there this :</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Dr. Gordon is worried about high divorce rates. I have a solution to this problem. Re-write the civil laws governing adultery so that the victimized spouse can have a civil court order the execution of a convicted adulterous spouse and his/her consort. The divorce rate would drop â€“ dare I say it? â€” like a stone.</p></blockquote>
<p>I .. uh.. what .. SERIOUSLY?!? </p>
<p>In the year 2011? In the United States? I don&#8217;t believe it.</p>
<p>Wow. 😮</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 15:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@1. Seeker Lancer : September 3, 2011 at 8:45 am
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Itâ€™s lovely that this biblical law isnâ€™t any different than the sharia law they seem to fear and hate so much. Weâ€™re lucky they oppose each otherâ€™s identical views instead of joining forces or weâ€™d be in trouble.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Right penalties, wrong God? 

I dont think they&#039;re views are *quite* identical - I haven&#039;t yet seen them advocate burkas or homicide suicde bombers or call for genocide against Israel - but there are certainly some disturbing parallels.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@1. Seeker Lancer : September 3, 2011 at 8:45 am</p>
<blockquote><p>Itâ€™s lovely that this biblical law isnâ€™t any different than the sharia law they seem to fear and hate so much. Weâ€™re lucky they oppose each otherâ€™s identical views instead of joining forces or weâ€™d be in trouble.</p></blockquote>
<p>Right penalties, wrong God? </p>
<p>I dont think they&#8217;re views are *quite* identical &#8211; I haven&#8217;t yet seen them advocate burkas or homicide suicde bombers or call for genocide against Israel &#8211; but there are certainly some disturbing parallels.</p>
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		By: StevoR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 15:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a charmer. (eyeroll.) 

This is meant to be a Christian approach? Didn&#039;t Rabbi Jesus say something about forgiveness and &quot;let he is without sin cast the first stone.&quot; 

Didn&#039;t he even forgive those who had called for and had him wrongly executed calling out among his last words : &quot;Forgive them Father, they know not what they do.&quot; 

I think Bachmann, Gary DeMar and her other supporting buddies here FAIL at Christianity, FAIL at human compassion and understanding and FAIL at being decent human beings generally. :-( 

She (&#038; Perry &#038; Palin) won&#039;t be elected - surely they won&#039;t be. Surely the USA knows &#038; insists on better than this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a charmer. (eyeroll.) </p>
<p>This is meant to be a Christian approach? Didn&#8217;t Rabbi Jesus say something about forgiveness and &#8220;let he is without sin cast the first stone.&#8221; </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t he even forgive those who had called for and had him wrongly executed calling out among his last words : &#8220;Forgive them Father, they know not what they do.&#8221; </p>
<p>I think Bachmann, Gary DeMar and her other supporting buddies here FAIL at Christianity, FAIL at human compassion and understanding and FAIL at being decent human beings generally. 🙁 </p>
<p>She (&amp; Perry &amp; Palin) won&#8217;t be elected &#8211; surely they won&#8217;t be. Surely the USA knows &amp; insists on better than this?</p>
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		By: mck9		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 14:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the second quote, DeMar clearly advocates the execution of abortion providers and their clients.

That quote is scary enough.  The first one, not so much.

In the first quote, DeMar does &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; advocate the execution of homosexuals (nor oppose it, for that matter).  He points out that a death penalty for homosexual activity would drive that activity underground, back to the closet.  I expect we can all agree with that prediction, apart from the hateful and inflammatory rhetoric he uses to express it.  To point out an obvious consequence of a proposed law is not the same as advocating it.

The DMB site includes a video where DeMar compares homosexual behavior to eating shellfish.  His point is that the Old Testament clearly treats homosexuality as a graver offense than eating shellfish, because it prescribes a penalty for the former (i.e. death) but not for the latter.

So he acknowledges that the Old Testament declares homosexual behavior to be a capital offense, and he&#039;s right about that.  But nowhere in the video does he advocate the same policy for any modern society.

DeMar is clearly a vile and contemptible nut case, and it wouldn&#039;t surprise me if he favors the death penalty for homosexuals.  He may very well have said so somewhere.  But he didn&#039;t say it in the quote provided, nor in the video mentioned earlier.

If you want to call him out for advocating the death penalty for homosexuals, show us where he has advocated it.  Reading between the lines doesn&#039;t count.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the second quote, DeMar clearly advocates the execution of abortion providers and their clients.</p>
<p>That quote is scary enough.  The first one, not so much.</p>
<p>In the first quote, DeMar does <em>not</em> advocate the execution of homosexuals (nor oppose it, for that matter).  He points out that a death penalty for homosexual activity would drive that activity underground, back to the closet.  I expect we can all agree with that prediction, apart from the hateful and inflammatory rhetoric he uses to express it.  To point out an obvious consequence of a proposed law is not the same as advocating it.</p>
<p>The DMB site includes a video where DeMar compares homosexual behavior to eating shellfish.  His point is that the Old Testament clearly treats homosexuality as a graver offense than eating shellfish, because it prescribes a penalty for the former (i.e. death) but not for the latter.</p>
<p>So he acknowledges that the Old Testament declares homosexual behavior to be a capital offense, and he&#8217;s right about that.  But nowhere in the video does he advocate the same policy for any modern society.</p>
<p>DeMar is clearly a vile and contemptible nut case, and it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me if he favors the death penalty for homosexuals.  He may very well have said so somewhere.  But he didn&#8217;t say it in the quote provided, nor in the video mentioned earlier.</p>
<p>If you want to call him out for advocating the death penalty for homosexuals, show us where he has advocated it.  Reading between the lines doesn&#8217;t count.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 14:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/bachmanns-buddy-advocates-death-to-well-lots-of-people/#comment-11175&quot;&gt;Joe Winpisinger&lt;/a&gt;.

Joe, thanks for pointing that out.  If you look closely at the blog post, I have a superscripted &quot;1&quot; all ready for a footnote about that specific point. But then I forgot to put in the footnote.  I will do so as soon as I can, prob. in a few minutes from now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/bachmanns-buddy-advocates-death-to-well-lots-of-people/#comment-11175">Joe Winpisinger</a>.</p>
<p>Joe, thanks for pointing that out.  If you look closely at the blog post, I have a superscripted &#8220;1&#8221; all ready for a footnote about that specific point. But then I forgot to put in the footnote.  I will do so as soon as I can, prob. in a few minutes from now.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 14:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/bachmanns-buddy-advocates-death-to-well-lots-of-people/#comment-11173&quot;&gt;Seeker Lancer&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, I suppose that is a major advantage of people making it up as they go along!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/09/03/bachmanns-buddy-advocates-death-to-well-lots-of-people/#comment-11173">Seeker Lancer</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, I suppose that is a major advantage of people making it up as they go along!</p>
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