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		By: Physicalist		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/08/25/irene-may-be-extreme/#comment-507320</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Physicalist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See, &quot;Nor&#039;Easter&quot; sounds much more manageable than &quot;Hurricane.&quot;

&quot;Strongest storm of the last twenty years&quot; also sounds a bit scary, since my house still has a few 100-year-old windows that are now considerably weaker than they were twenty years ago.

But thanks for the reassurance; overall it sounds like there&#039;s not too much reason for me to worry.  (I&#039;ve got a pump for the basement in case the storm surge comes in . . .  )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, &#8220;Nor&#8217;Easter&#8221; sounds much more manageable than &#8220;Hurricane.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Strongest storm of the last twenty years&#8221; also sounds a bit scary, since my house still has a few 100-year-old windows that are now considerably weaker than they were twenty years ago.</p>
<p>But thanks for the reassurance; overall it sounds like there&#8217;s not too much reason for me to worry.  (I&#8217;ve got a pump for the basement in case the storm surge comes in . . .  )</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Matt, it all depends on if the hurricane keeps out to sea more or less.  

Also, remember that since the summer of 38, well, esp since the Great Storm of 78 up in New England, building and zoning laws have changed.  Over the last 70 years thousands of shoreline homes between the outer banks and the Bay of Fundy have been washed into the sea and not rebuilt.  

I&#039;ve been on the road all day, just checking now to see what the latest is.  Irene should be at near maximum wind strength over the next six hours or so.  If this is lower than 110 mph, then Irene will be just barely a hurricane when it arrives in New York/New England.  If much more, then it may be more likely a stronger storm.  Either way, North Carolina gets seriously hammered. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, it all depends on if the hurricane keeps out to sea more or less.  </p>
<p>Also, remember that since the summer of 38, well, esp since the Great Storm of 78 up in New England, building and zoning laws have changed.  Over the last 70 years thousands of shoreline homes between the outer banks and the Bay of Fundy have been washed into the sea and not rebuilt.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been on the road all day, just checking now to see what the latest is.  Irene should be at near maximum wind strength over the next six hours or so.  If this is lower than 110 mph, then Irene will be just barely a hurricane when it arrives in New York/New England.  If much more, then it may be more likely a stronger storm.  Either way, North Carolina gets seriously hammered. </p>
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		By: Bacop		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Storing food, and especially water is a good thing, but I started to say &quot;Don&#039;t worry, there will be distribution centers handing out ice and food rations in the hardest hit areas.&quot; 

Oh, wait, y&#039;all might not have plans for that sort of thing. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Storing food, and especially water is a good thing, but I started to say &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry, there will be distribution centers handing out ice and food rations in the hardest hit areas.&#8221; </p>
<p>Oh, wait, y&#8217;all might not have plans for that sort of thing. </p>
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		By: Rob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mark #9, for real?  Is there a quote for that?  What a heartless uncaring politician.  What would he do in the wake of another major terrorist attack when federal funds will be spent?  By the way, the Virginia earthquake&#039;s epicenter is apparently in his district.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark #9, for real?  Is there a quote for that?  What a heartless uncaring politician.  What would he do in the wake of another major terrorist attack when federal funds will be spent?  By the way, the Virginia earthquake&#8217;s epicenter is apparently in his district.  </p>
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		By: Matt M		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have read that one of the highest potential hurricane losses would be a major hit on Long Island.  The Storm of &#039;38 is used as an example of the intensity, and the built-up nature of that location is used to show the value of the stuff in the way.  Plus, they have been untested in generations.

Your thoughts?

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read that one of the highest potential hurricane losses would be a major hit on Long Island.  The Storm of &#8217;38 is used as an example of the intensity, and the built-up nature of that location is used to show the value of the stuff in the way.  Plus, they have been untested in generations.</p>
<p>Your thoughts?</p>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Flooding is going to be a major problem with this storm. Part of that is going to be storm surge, and some of the areas along Irene&#039;s potential path are among the most susceptible in the US to storm surges (according to storm surge maps at Weather Underground). Parts of New York City (particularly JFK Airport and lower Manhattan) could get storm surges of more than 30 feet if Irene is still Category 3 at landfall. New Bedford, MA, is even more vulnerable; a direct hit on New Bedford could produce a storm surge of more than 38 feet.

Freshwater flooding is also going to be a major issue. Parts of the Northeast (particularly the NYC region) have already seen lots of rain this month, and these places are likely to be on the west side of the eye, which will have more rainfall as the back side of the low usually does (the strongest winds are on the east side because the storm motion adds to the circulation). Ten inches or more of rain are likely in parts of the Philadelphia to NYC corridor and surrounding areas.

Trees, of course, are a big worry, and most of the power outages, at least in areas with above-ground utilities, will be due to trees falling on power lines.

Greg @4: This is going to be a bit more than a typical Nor&#039;easter without snow. Think more like the Blizzard of 1978 without snow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flooding is going to be a major problem with this storm. Part of that is going to be storm surge, and some of the areas along Irene&#8217;s potential path are among the most susceptible in the US to storm surges (according to storm surge maps at Weather Underground). Parts of New York City (particularly JFK Airport and lower Manhattan) could get storm surges of more than 30 feet if Irene is still Category 3 at landfall. New Bedford, MA, is even more vulnerable; a direct hit on New Bedford could produce a storm surge of more than 38 feet.</p>
<p>Freshwater flooding is also going to be a major issue. Parts of the Northeast (particularly the NYC region) have already seen lots of rain this month, and these places are likely to be on the west side of the eye, which will have more rainfall as the back side of the low usually does (the strongest winds are on the east side because the storm motion adds to the circulation). Ten inches or more of rain are likely in parts of the Philadelphia to NYC corridor and surrounding areas.</p>
<p>Trees, of course, are a big worry, and most of the power outages, at least in areas with above-ground utilities, will be due to trees falling on power lines.</p>
<p>Greg @4: This is going to be a bit more than a typical Nor&#8217;easter without snow. Think more like the Blizzard of 1978 without snow.</p>
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		By: mark		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric Cantor has already begun wondering where offsetting cuts can be made in the budget &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; Federal money can be made available in the wake of the hurricane.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Cantor has already begun wondering where offsetting cuts can be made in the budget <i>before</i> Federal money can be made available in the wake of the hurricane.</p>
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		By: Rob		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/08/25/irene-may-be-extreme/#comment-507313</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m here in a DC suburb with memories of the five-day power outage after Hurricane Irene still fresh in my mind 8 years later.  Not to mention two extensive outages from ferocious region-wide thunderstorms last year (for 3 and 1.5 days respectively).  You may have heard of my electric utility?  Pepco topped the list of &quot;worst companies&quot; in the US when measured by customer dissatisfaction, garnering a higher percentage of negative thoughts than all airlines and cable providers.  

Though the center of the storm looks to pass maybe 100 miles to my east and south according to the National Hurricane Center, some computer models suggest it could come significantly closer.  And while I would be on the weaker side of the storm, unlike with Isabel, the effects of hours and hours of &gt;25 mph winds and rain are likely to bring trees down on houses and wires no matter how much tree trimming Pepco has done in the past year.  I have a supply of fully cooked food in cans and pouches, aseptic containers of milk, etc., just in case the power goes out during the storm.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m here in a DC suburb with memories of the five-day power outage after Hurricane Irene still fresh in my mind 8 years later.  Not to mention two extensive outages from ferocious region-wide thunderstorms last year (for 3 and 1.5 days respectively).  You may have heard of my electric utility?  Pepco topped the list of &#8220;worst companies&#8221; in the US when measured by customer dissatisfaction, garnering a higher percentage of negative thoughts than all airlines and cable providers.  </p>
<p>Though the center of the storm looks to pass maybe 100 miles to my east and south according to the National Hurricane Center, some computer models suggest it could come significantly closer.  And while I would be on the weaker side of the storm, unlike with Isabel, the effects of hours and hours of >25 mph winds and rain are likely to bring trees down on houses and wires no matter how much tree trimming Pepco has done in the past year.  I have a supply of fully cooked food in cans and pouches, aseptic containers of milk, etc., just in case the power goes out during the storm.  </p>
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		By: Achrachno		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 05:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, your blog is among the best -- consistently interesting and substantial.  You deserve 10X as many readers as you have and more of us should probably be commenting.  I&#039;ll try to do better in that respect.  

This article greatly improved my weak understanding of hurricanes and made me glad I live 70 miles inland -- from the Pacific Ocean.  I think I prefer sitting under high pressure and clear skies, even if that means regular fires.  Hurricanes seem much worse than anything we face over here.

It seems like this could get very ugly if it does just slide along the shore.  I guess we should be hoping for a sharp left turn and quick landfall.  Too bad prayer is so perfectly ineffective in these things.













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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, your blog is among the best &#8212; consistently interesting and substantial.  You deserve 10X as many readers as you have and more of us should probably be commenting.  I&#8217;ll try to do better in that respect.  </p>
<p>This article greatly improved my weak understanding of hurricanes and made me glad I live 70 miles inland &#8212; from the Pacific Ocean.  I think I prefer sitting under high pressure and clear skies, even if that means regular fires.  Hurricanes seem much worse than anything we face over here.</p>
<p>It seems like this could get very ugly if it does just slide along the shore.  I guess we should be hoping for a sharp left turn and quick landfall.  Too bad prayer is so perfectly ineffective in these things.</p>
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		By: Bacopa		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 05:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One interesting effect to watch for: Those lighted signs on poles, you know, like at McDonald&#039;s and every where else are going to get blown out. Oddly enough, many of the florescent tubes inside them will survive. When the power comes back on they will shine brightly even though their strong plastic facings have been shattered and dispersed.

BTW, I wouldn&#039;t worry about plywood as far north as Boston. Heck, I went without plywood last hurricane a couple years back. Of course, A window got blown in.

Trees are a big threat. Sickly trees should be cut down if they can fall on your house. But it&#039;s probably too late for that now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One interesting effect to watch for: Those lighted signs on poles, you know, like at McDonald&#8217;s and every where else are going to get blown out. Oddly enough, many of the florescent tubes inside them will survive. When the power comes back on they will shine brightly even though their strong plastic facings have been shattered and dispersed.</p>
<p>BTW, I wouldn&#8217;t worry about plywood as far north as Boston. Heck, I went without plywood last hurricane a couple years back. Of course, A window got blown in.</p>
<p>Trees are a big threat. Sickly trees should be cut down if they can fall on your house. But it&#8217;s probably too late for that now.</p>
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