Comments on: Global warming denialism? It ends now.

By: Josh

Josh — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:35:37 +0000

I know that totally escapes the blog. but congratulations to Mr. John Carmack! reinforcing their ignorance, in criticizing the time of the planet! another ignorant millionaire contributing to corrupt positive attitudes, that not going to cost anything.

@ID_AA_Carmack: Iâ??m going to turn on every damn light in protest of Earth Hour. Lighting the darkness is fundamental to humanityâ??s climb.

By: opit

opit — Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:26:37 +0000

As a nonscientist, I must rely on more empirical data than seems common in esoteric models and projections therefrom. Some days I get rather short with another form of ‘denialism’.
Category Archives: Global Warming Denial Machine
http://oldephartte.livejournal.com/5539.html
Agg, however, reminds us of another gag pulled upon the populace in the furthering of imperialist-colonial rape of the planet by Tony Blair and friends.
‘Leading to War’ is a website outlining perfidity seldom competently outlined. For instance, the Panelist posted ‘The Real Winner in Iraq was Monsanto’ which highlighted some effects of Bremer’s ‘100 Orders’ which destroyed Iraq’s intellectual infrastructure conveniently concurrent with a fraudulent program for ‘rebuilding Iraq’ that was a great bilking of the U.S. public.
That is the source to which you hold in high regard as authority. That they are. Truthful ? ROFLMAO
BTW I keep some links in the sidebar ( Blogger ) in refernce to associated questions which come up.
And I won’t bore you with science. Lubos Motl might give you a run but I won’t bother.
It’s a futile task trying to convince someone of something when his job relies on his not doing so.

By: Lishui

Lishui — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:11:33 +0000

Question: is a greenhouse hotter in the winter or in the summer? What is the factor that makes the difference, if any?

Question: if someone asks a question like this, does it automatically make her a denialist?

Question: who set you up as judge and jury over whether another scientist, whose information you haven’t even considered, is deliberately destroying the future of her own children?

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:46:25 +0000

David666, you are confusing the issue of the difference between AGW and pollution and the relevance of CO2 as a pollutant.

People who understand climate change (whom you rudely call alarmists) do not conflate misc. forms of pollution with the increase of greenhouse gases, related ocean acidification, and release of fossil carbon, etc. with other forms of pollution.

Yet, release of greenhouse gasses needs to be regulated just like the release of, say, mercury from coal plants needs to be regulated.

No matter what you or some other denialist might say.

By: David606

David606 — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 16:31:30 +0000

Alarmists want to continue to confuse the separate issues of warming and pollution. Pollution such as poisons in our water have nothing to do with global warming. CO2 is not a pollutant no matter what a judge or Al Gore might say.

By: Agg

Agg — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 07:39:52 +0000

There is no place for ego, political views in this debate. It is not about being right or being wrong. Bets make sense only if you have money at stake, not your life. Don’t know about you, but I am not willing to play Russian roulette with the lives of my loved ones and take the risk of ignoring global warming evidence. Can you imagine what kind of resistance the global warming alarmists face from various industry groups, lobbyists etc. and what a challenge it is to get the truth to you and me through all the corrupt media and politicians? The sums of money involved is just staggering. You can easily multiply the evidence by X100 to really start to fathom the extent of possible evidence, not just what you come by here and there. It has been known for almost 50 years now that plant-based foods (whole foods, fruits and vegetables) are what we should be eating, and animal protein, meat, fish, poultry, eggs, dairy products including milk, not genes are the main cause of many chronic diseases like obesity, type 1 diabetes, cancer, heart problems etc. No wonder this information is not in the public domain and you can bet that it will never be – food, drug, dairy companies are spending billions a year to keep this information under the radar and to counter the research findings on plant-based foods with confusing studies of their own. Why do you think we can fly to the moon while not being able to prevent or cure many deadly diseases ? We can, and we know how with plant-based foods, but we will not because of industry efforts to block information and spread confusion. Do you think they will willingly give up over $1 trillion in annual sales just for the sake of you and me being healthy ? What then makes you think that they will not cover up global warming evidence to continue doing what they are doing ? Capitalism works well in the short-term in helping find equilibrium between supply and demand. It has no regard for the greater public good or the long-term. Long-term doesn’t matter, as its discounted net present value is almost zero. It doesn’t matter in finance, but it sure matters to you and me. Don’t be fooled

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 19:44:44 +0000

Regarding the paper cited here and there in the comments above:

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/on_the_misdiagnosis_of_surface.php

By: Chris Winter

Chris Winter — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:11:59 +0000

Phil W:

Got sources for any of those claims about CO2?

What you call the “dreaded ice-age theories of the 70s” is just a myth concocted by contrarians. I’d be happy to cite my source.

And yes, I’ve been following the predictions of a quiet Sun. Sunlight intensity has been flat since satellite measurements began in 1978. Still the world’s temperature creeps upward. I’ve got sources for those observations too.

By: Tommy D

Tommy D — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:56:47 +0000

Here in the DC area it is best to keep “progressive” opinions to oneself. The ignorance, jingoism, graveyard whistling, etc is at epidemic proportions. (See: Debt “Crisis”, etc.) As for climate – the last couple years of record breaking local winter snow fall, ice storms and commensurate economic impact PROVES beyond ANY doubt that global climate change is bunk. Cause its SNOWING. On the other hand – record breaking summer heat year on year is just a normal cycle. Its just weather. Both are anticipated results of GLOBAL CLIMATE change, but Al Gore lives in a big house so that proves that there is no global warming.

By: Agg

Agg — Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:41:44 +0000

US invaded Iraq because there was a possibility that Iraq could develop weapons of mass destruction. Even if small, it was a possibility nonetheless that could potentially jeopardize US security. So US acted. It was costly but it was probably the only right thing to do from US standpoint. We know what happened when the British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain didn’t act against Nazi Germany during early years of Hitler’s conquests in Europe. Now too, we have at least some body of evidence that our activities contribute to global warming. Why are we then dismissing even the slightest possibility that it could totally screw up our lives ? The Planet will survive but will we ? What if the global warming alarmists are right and we are digging our own grave – what then ? We cannot predict stock markets, we still don’t know exactly what foods are good for us, which are not, we cannot cure cancer, Aids and host of other disease, we cannot predict weather beyond several days, we cannot even predict what will happen to us tomorrow – and what exactly then make you think that we can predict the impact of our activities on the Planet with all its millions of interconnected mechanisms that we don’t quite understand and dismiss the possibility of global warming ? The potential damage is so huge and irreversible that we have to consider even the slightest possibility. I doubt it, but let’s say we may lose 10 or 20 years of rapid development if we take action now – but what is 10 to 20 years in the global scheme of things, 4.5 billion-year Earth history ? Are we here for the long run, for millions of years into the future or just hit and run types stupid enough to destroy ourselves in the early stages of our development ? It is one thing, when you are asked to turn vegetarian, limit yourself all your life to die at 87 instead of 83, it is quite another if you are told that you will have to go on a vegetarian diet for 5 years to live to 87 instead of possibly dying of cancer at 27. It is obvious what most would do given this option. Why cannot we grasp the danger of our ignorance with global warming then, is beyond my understanding