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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2018 02:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[correction to my babbling, the study Im under the impression is the basis where this purported theory got and stills gets its traction from, and if Im atypically correct its still the uniquely most credible study that exists, it only amplifies my concerns. Anyways it was published in 2015 but by Swedish researchers based predominantly on information from Swedish databases and on Swedish men, so hardly steely proof to support some of the feverish zeal people try and use it to support. And to be crystalline, what jerks choose to believe, advance as whatever level of validity they gonna do, click bait on youtube, whatcha gonna do about that? Give yourself an ulcer? My disgust is higher forums w/ presumably higher standards of legitimacy and too much integrity to teach, or to allow the supposed teaching of something so unsubstantiated for the moment as male genetic predisposition to sexually assault as anything more than the strictest explanations of where the evidence or lack thereof sits at that very moment. To me the last line of defense (maybe the first one too) in mass hysteria purporting something this extreme as been proven, multiple scientifically valid studies, compelling reason to believe is intellectual defamation. And I hate non comedic use of hyperbole, but I don&#039;t know that this qualifies as such anymore, this quantum leap forward into an Orwellian nightmare becoming complete reality feels unembellished. Weve already had speech and thought crimes for around or past a decade, Im not a fan of hate crimes, not a big fan of love crimes either. Hate crime statutes and sentencing and protected classes however aren&#039;t an acceptable solution, theyre clearly not a practical ones but God love the law, they are bonafide real life thought crimes and a large contingency if not a majority see them as high principles. Subjective delusion is the new objective facts]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction to my babbling, the study Im under the impression is the basis where this purported theory got and stills gets its traction from, and if Im atypically correct its still the uniquely most credible study that exists, it only amplifies my concerns. Anyways it was published in 2015 but by Swedish researchers based predominantly on information from Swedish databases and on Swedish men, so hardly steely proof to support some of the feverish zeal people try and use it to support. And to be crystalline, what jerks choose to believe, advance as whatever level of validity they gonna do, click bait on youtube, whatcha gonna do about that? Give yourself an ulcer? My disgust is higher forums w/ presumably higher standards of legitimacy and too much integrity to teach, or to allow the supposed teaching of something so unsubstantiated for the moment as male genetic predisposition to sexually assault as anything more than the strictest explanations of where the evidence or lack thereof sits at that very moment. To me the last line of defense (maybe the first one too) in mass hysteria purporting something this extreme as been proven, multiple scientifically valid studies, compelling reason to believe is intellectual defamation. And I hate non comedic use of hyperbole, but I don&#8217;t know that this qualifies as such anymore, this quantum leap forward into an Orwellian nightmare becoming complete reality feels unembellished. Weve already had speech and thought crimes for around or past a decade, Im not a fan of hate crimes, not a big fan of love crimes either. Hate crime statutes and sentencing and protected classes however aren&#8217;t an acceptable solution, theyre clearly not a practical ones but God love the law, they are bonafide real life thought crimes and a large contingency if not a majority see them as high principles. Subjective delusion is the new objective facts</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/07/driving-the-patriarchy-demonic/#comment-593905</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2018 02:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am likely the least knowledgeable person here so bear that in mind. As to the small to amount of incidents of female violence, most certainly in the Yan/San examples, Id expect that&#039;s reflective of the reality. And limited to fisticuffs and skull smashing, Id expect, yes violence is a very masculine domain, virtually a monopoly. But expanding the definition, which Im neither advocating or opposing, I wonder how that could change things, particularly in whatever the current preferred term for Western Industrialized nations is. For instance, and remember my caveat which didn&#039;t include having no educational background in anthropology, human behavior, psych or soc but consider those added, the &quot;theories&quot; I felt this was somewhat predicated upon, male genetic programming to rape, which is actually TAUGHT at brick and mortar universities (as opposed to I dunno, online diploma factories) closer to the kind of theory associated w/ the big bang, than the sort of legitimacy given to theories of the distinctly separate evolution of mud people, or the lunar landings being shot on a soundstage. This isn&#039;t rhetorical, but does anyone know whether Hitler is alleged to have killed anyone w/ his own hands, aided by a weapon or not?  I AM intellectually equipped to appreciate the huge distinction, but were the answer to my question to be no, would his behavior not still qualify as incredibly violent? Im not trying to service an agenda (that Im conscious of anyways) but if it would nonetheless be called violence, then how would we compare, or would there be any, the instant belief and concurrent exaggeration in genetic destiny for men to sexually assault having the numbers that it does? By all means let&#039;s examine it thoroughly to learn all  that we can, using credible methodology and standards used elsewhere. But has that even begun being pursued let alone reached credible conclusions? That was intended as rhetorical but I don&#039;t know that it hasn&#039;t happened. My (mis)understanding is its primarily based on the 2015 study from Britain I wanna say, which was based on comparisons and statistical tendencies of sexual crime stats and male family members which some of its own researchers were quite candid had some inherent limitations by its design and its findings were still far from conclusive evidence. One limitation specifically mentioned from researchers and other people familiar w/ the field was your very point here, environment. Yet as stated and STILL baffling to me, is how widely and to what degrees its being disseminated as academically valid to teach, not study, to teach as accredited undergrad and post grad material on  allegedly reputable campuses. Maybe its just my primitive genetic coding but that a tenured prof in whatever discipline is allowed to proffer any of it, let alonbe hard predetermination as the fodder for an entire class, or more than a minor side note in a classroom feels kinda hostile if not an act of overt physicality. As did/do the Obama campus rape guidelines under title IX guise. And those were unilaterally strong armed down every administrations financially extorted throats, those who didn&#039;t receive them joyfully. If those don&#039;t qualify as violence in the context of your excellent piece here, which I don&#039;t mean to suggest that they should, perhaps theyre a separate topic worth considering. Guess depends what one considers violence and how much the manner of executing it defines it. My 2 cents (adjusted for inflation maybe half of one cent) is maybe man, and woman, aren&#039;t personally evolving so much, or are Im dickish and generally know dick, but perhaps has become a bit more sophisticated metering out violence. There is a literary historical precedent of women manipulating targeted violence through men, Helen of Troy being the clichéd instance, and YES I realize that was mythology. Anyone NOT know of a real life example they witnessed at one or more points? If not good for you, you must not have wasted a lot of time in bars or drunken social settings. Hell hath no fury......, happy wife, happy life, Lady MacBeth, Pandora n her dadgummed box. Im even less of a pugilist than academic, but Ive taken a couple punches, truth is hardly tried throwing any never landed one. Now if violence must be directly administered and entail the possibility of permanent injury or fatality I haven&#039;t experienced anything meeting that standard at the hands of a woman, physical aggression instigated by and not reciprocated that Ive experienced, try calling law enforcement in that situation and see what happens. But as far as impulses to inflict punitive measures on someone, well earned or in no way whatsoever deserved, in fact ego driven and very sadistic? Id need some credible evidence before Id know whether theres any gender deviation. And for a wide number of cultures and time periods, limited extents of fist to fist acts of male on male violence has been an efficient means of handling personal conflicts. Im still friends w/ a few men who didn&#039;t pummel me senseless but lets say kicked my ass soundly. Maybe violence isn&#039;t actually ALWAYS the worst option. Maybe impulse control in the moment, the passage of time and eventual atomic escalation of response is a more evolved behavior but darker essence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am likely the least knowledgeable person here so bear that in mind. As to the small to amount of incidents of female violence, most certainly in the Yan/San examples, Id expect that&#8217;s reflective of the reality. And limited to fisticuffs and skull smashing, Id expect, yes violence is a very masculine domain, virtually a monopoly. But expanding the definition, which Im neither advocating or opposing, I wonder how that could change things, particularly in whatever the current preferred term for Western Industrialized nations is. For instance, and remember my caveat which didn&#8217;t include having no educational background in anthropology, human behavior, psych or soc but consider those added, the &#8220;theories&#8221; I felt this was somewhat predicated upon, male genetic programming to rape, which is actually TAUGHT at brick and mortar universities (as opposed to I dunno, online diploma factories) closer to the kind of theory associated w/ the big bang, than the sort of legitimacy given to theories of the distinctly separate evolution of mud people, or the lunar landings being shot on a soundstage. This isn&#8217;t rhetorical, but does anyone know whether Hitler is alleged to have killed anyone w/ his own hands, aided by a weapon or not?  I AM intellectually equipped to appreciate the huge distinction, but were the answer to my question to be no, would his behavior not still qualify as incredibly violent? Im not trying to service an agenda (that Im conscious of anyways) but if it would nonetheless be called violence, then how would we compare, or would there be any, the instant belief and concurrent exaggeration in genetic destiny for men to sexually assault having the numbers that it does? By all means let&#8217;s examine it thoroughly to learn all  that we can, using credible methodology and standards used elsewhere. But has that even begun being pursued let alone reached credible conclusions? That was intended as rhetorical but I don&#8217;t know that it hasn&#8217;t happened. My (mis)understanding is its primarily based on the 2015 study from Britain I wanna say, which was based on comparisons and statistical tendencies of sexual crime stats and male family members which some of its own researchers were quite candid had some inherent limitations by its design and its findings were still far from conclusive evidence. One limitation specifically mentioned from researchers and other people familiar w/ the field was your very point here, environment. Yet as stated and STILL baffling to me, is how widely and to what degrees its being disseminated as academically valid to teach, not study, to teach as accredited undergrad and post grad material on  allegedly reputable campuses. Maybe its just my primitive genetic coding but that a tenured prof in whatever discipline is allowed to proffer any of it, let alonbe hard predetermination as the fodder for an entire class, or more than a minor side note in a classroom feels kinda hostile if not an act of overt physicality. As did/do the Obama campus rape guidelines under title IX guise. And those were unilaterally strong armed down every administrations financially extorted throats, those who didn&#8217;t receive them joyfully. If those don&#8217;t qualify as violence in the context of your excellent piece here, which I don&#8217;t mean to suggest that they should, perhaps theyre a separate topic worth considering. Guess depends what one considers violence and how much the manner of executing it defines it. My 2 cents (adjusted for inflation maybe half of one cent) is maybe man, and woman, aren&#8217;t personally evolving so much, or are Im dickish and generally know dick, but perhaps has become a bit more sophisticated metering out violence. There is a literary historical precedent of women manipulating targeted violence through men, Helen of Troy being the clichéd instance, and YES I realize that was mythology. Anyone NOT know of a real life example they witnessed at one or more points? If not good for you, you must not have wasted a lot of time in bars or drunken social settings. Hell hath no fury&#8230;&#8230;, happy wife, happy life, Lady MacBeth, Pandora n her dadgummed box. Im even less of a pugilist than academic, but Ive taken a couple punches, truth is hardly tried throwing any never landed one. Now if violence must be directly administered and entail the possibility of permanent injury or fatality I haven&#8217;t experienced anything meeting that standard at the hands of a woman, physical aggression instigated by and not reciprocated that Ive experienced, try calling law enforcement in that situation and see what happens. But as far as impulses to inflict punitive measures on someone, well earned or in no way whatsoever deserved, in fact ego driven and very sadistic? Id need some credible evidence before Id know whether theres any gender deviation. And for a wide number of cultures and time periods, limited extents of fist to fist acts of male on male violence has been an efficient means of handling personal conflicts. Im still friends w/ a few men who didn&#8217;t pummel me senseless but lets say kicked my ass soundly. Maybe violence isn&#8217;t actually ALWAYS the worst option. Maybe impulse control in the moment, the passage of time and eventual atomic escalation of response is a more evolved behavior but darker essence.</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/07/driving-the-patriarchy-demonic/#comment-505072</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 14:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Look, feminist are telling NFL what to do&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That alone is sufficient reason to not take anything you say seriously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Look, feminist are telling NFL what to do</p></blockquote>
<p>That alone is sufficient reason to not take anything you say seriously.</p>
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		By: David Gibson		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/07/driving-the-patriarchy-demonic/#comment-505071</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Matriarchy is a cultural theme that promotes more of the nurturing side of man...but it&#039;s woman. The Matriarchy is a societal Superego if you will. It is mostly feminine. Matriarchal culture can include Liberalism. What do you think the Patriarchy would be? It&#039;s mostly Conservative of course....

You&#039;re culture is predominantly Matriarchal. You would rather nurture people and help people (Matri) rather than punish them or push them (Patri). I can tell you have integrated the Liberal feminine culture within yourself. Regarding political opinions you are mostly siding with women. Look, I&#039;m mostly liberal too, so don&#039;t take it the wrong way, however, I&#039;m shifting moderate because I see the extreme side of feminism and it&#039;s nothing good, just like extreme conservatism. ..If you want to have my stinky opinion.

I have a slightly different definition of personal culture. Personal culture is the things you were taught and still believe. This knowledge and moral belief system was taught first by your parents, then teachers, peers, and now its reinforced through academia. 
Look, feminist are telling NFL what to do; they hold IMMENSE POWER. Look they&#039;re throwing out labels and generalizing a whole population....apparent all men are child abusers, wife beaters, rapist, murders, and everything evil in the world. You say we shouldn&#039;t generalize and stereo type right? This is a homo-social(they don&#039;t know a man&#039;s perspective) man hating culture. There is also this so called &quot;Rape Epidemic&quot; on College Campuses when the FBI is telling us sexual crime is on the decline, especially rape...Rape Statistics are at an all time LOW. GO LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF IF YOU DON&#039;T BELIEVE ME.

This is so depressing and disturbing as man. Why? College used to be where &quot;Peace, LOVE!!!, and happiness,&quot; reined supreme, There used to be free love everywhere in the the late 60&#039;s - early 70&#039;s....NOW EVERY MAN IS A POTENTIAL RAPIST...AAHHHH!!! NO!!! WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE SMOKING? OMG, SOMEBODY LACED THE ENTIRE CAMPUS WITH LSD AND THEY&#039;RE FREAKING OUT.

Apparently if you haven&#039;t noticed this is all a highly charged political movement. People will lie, steal, and cheat regarding politics...Exhibit A: The Rolling Stone published rape allegations that turned out to be COMPLETELY FALSE. 
Exhibit B: FBI Rape Statistics- ALL TIME LOW
Exhibit C: Reported Rape on campuses the past 10 yrs---declining.
 How much evidence do need? I can keep going

This is far beyond disturbing in another way. We live in a Victim Centric Culture (Matriarchy). People who cry rape aren&#039;t put on a polygraph. Both the alleged perpetrator and the alleged victim need to be put on a polygraph. What&#039;s worse, getting raped, or doing polygraph to catch the guy? If the woman didn&#039;t lie; what does she have to fear?  Half the time, Law Enforcement doesn&#039;t even do a rape kit and just take the woman&#039;s word for it. This is not Justice. 

Listen, I like equality and fairness too, but this isn&#039;t it at all. This is a pure violation of human rights. The only reason this still has momentum, is men feel guilty for having a penis...this is absurd. Men can&#039;t even think about a woman sexually anymore without being stigmatized...It&#039;s to the point that heterosexual men are being slammed for being straight. Feminist equate all male lust as rape or some other perversion. It&#039;s sickening. Have you heard how these women talk about men? Have you been listening to NPR lately? Its a freaking nightmare or something from Clock Work Orange.

You, sir, have some admiral qualities as a MAN. Are completely evil too? Perhaps you should refer to yourself as The Demonic Male...Muu hahahahah. Join Satan and his minions, sir, for you yourself are a demonic male...the only way you get out of this club is to cut your balls and penis off, Sorry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Matriarchy is a cultural theme that promotes more of the nurturing side of man&#8230;but it&#8217;s woman. The Matriarchy is a societal Superego if you will. It is mostly feminine. Matriarchal culture can include Liberalism. What do you think the Patriarchy would be? It&#8217;s mostly Conservative of course&#8230;.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re culture is predominantly Matriarchal. You would rather nurture people and help people (Matri) rather than punish them or push them (Patri). I can tell you have integrated the Liberal feminine culture within yourself. Regarding political opinions you are mostly siding with women. Look, I&#8217;m mostly liberal too, so don&#8217;t take it the wrong way, however, I&#8217;m shifting moderate because I see the extreme side of feminism and it&#8217;s nothing good, just like extreme conservatism. ..If you want to have my stinky opinion.</p>
<p>I have a slightly different definition of personal culture. Personal culture is the things you were taught and still believe. This knowledge and moral belief system was taught first by your parents, then teachers, peers, and now its reinforced through academia.<br />
Look, feminist are telling NFL what to do; they hold IMMENSE POWER. Look they&#8217;re throwing out labels and generalizing a whole population&#8230;.apparent all men are child abusers, wife beaters, rapist, murders, and everything evil in the world. You say we shouldn&#8217;t generalize and stereo type right? This is a homo-social(they don&#8217;t know a man&#8217;s perspective) man hating culture. There is also this so called &#8220;Rape Epidemic&#8221; on College Campuses when the FBI is telling us sexual crime is on the decline, especially rape&#8230;Rape Statistics are at an all time LOW. GO LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF IF YOU DON&#8217;T BELIEVE ME.</p>
<p>This is so depressing and disturbing as man. Why? College used to be where &#8220;Peace, LOVE!!!, and happiness,&#8221; reined supreme, There used to be free love everywhere in the the late 60&#8217;s &#8211; early 70&#8217;s&#8230;.NOW EVERY MAN IS A POTENTIAL RAPIST&#8230;AAHHHH!!! NO!!! WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE SMOKING? OMG, SOMEBODY LACED THE ENTIRE CAMPUS WITH LSD AND THEY&#8217;RE FREAKING OUT.</p>
<p>Apparently if you haven&#8217;t noticed this is all a highly charged political movement. People will lie, steal, and cheat regarding politics&#8230;Exhibit A: The Rolling Stone published rape allegations that turned out to be COMPLETELY FALSE.<br />
Exhibit B: FBI Rape Statistics- ALL TIME LOW<br />
Exhibit C: Reported Rape on campuses the past 10 yrs&#8212;declining.<br />
 How much evidence do need? I can keep going</p>
<p>This is far beyond disturbing in another way. We live in a Victim Centric Culture (Matriarchy). People who cry rape aren&#8217;t put on a polygraph. Both the alleged perpetrator and the alleged victim need to be put on a polygraph. What&#8217;s worse, getting raped, or doing polygraph to catch the guy? If the woman didn&#8217;t lie; what does she have to fear?  Half the time, Law Enforcement doesn&#8217;t even do a rape kit and just take the woman&#8217;s word for it. This is not Justice. </p>
<p>Listen, I like equality and fairness too, but this isn&#8217;t it at all. This is a pure violation of human rights. The only reason this still has momentum, is men feel guilty for having a penis&#8230;this is absurd. Men can&#8217;t even think about a woman sexually anymore without being stigmatized&#8230;It&#8217;s to the point that heterosexual men are being slammed for being straight. Feminist equate all male lust as rape or some other perversion. It&#8217;s sickening. Have you heard how these women talk about men? Have you been listening to NPR lately? Its a freaking nightmare or something from Clock Work Orange.</p>
<p>You, sir, have some admiral qualities as a MAN. Are completely evil too? Perhaps you should refer to yourself as The Demonic Male&#8230;Muu hahahahah. Join Satan and his minions, sir, for you yourself are a demonic male&#8230;the only way you get out of this club is to cut your balls and penis off, Sorry.</p>
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		By: David Gibson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2016 17:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for commenting back. Yes, a lot of this behavior I&#039;m referring to is cultural. However, there are animal examples. The male Colobus monkey will protect the young and females from predation. They will often fight Adutl Male Chimpanzeees 4 times their size to the death in order to protect the young and females.

Perhaps it would be easier to illistrate protective drives in nature, due to the fact we no longer have any natural predators to display this behavior.

I&#039;m am a father, I know for a fact this is a strong underlying drive. I would, Sir, die for my kids if I had to. How do we quantify this and measure it? Perhaps we could look up Police reports where men have died protecting women and children and count and then compare it to how many women did the same...As I&#039;ve said, women do have some aspects of the male protective instinct. Many women also would die protecting their own kids. But yes, men, Culturally are expected to do this more. To separate it from culture or base drive would be the hard part and would take cross cultural studies.

Thank You for your Repy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for commenting back. Yes, a lot of this behavior I&#8217;m referring to is cultural. However, there are animal examples. The male Colobus monkey will protect the young and females from predation. They will often fight Adutl Male Chimpanzeees 4 times their size to the death in order to protect the young and females.</p>
<p>Perhaps it would be easier to illistrate protective drives in nature, due to the fact we no longer have any natural predators to display this behavior.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m am a father, I know for a fact this is a strong underlying drive. I would, Sir, die for my kids if I had to. How do we quantify this and measure it? Perhaps we could look up Police reports where men have died protecting women and children and count and then compare it to how many women did the same&#8230;As I&#8217;ve said, women do have some aspects of the male protective instinct. Many women also would die protecting their own kids. But yes, men, Culturally are expected to do this more. To separate it from culture or base drive would be the hard part and would take cross cultural studies.</p>
<p>Thank You for your Repy</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2016 17:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In many societies there is a strong matriarchal component.  Matrilinality is very rare and is never a mirror image of patrilinality.  But very importantly, this, again, varies a lot across societies, times, and circumstances.  One of the great lessons of anthropology is that this can not be generalized.

I don&#039;t know of any playgrounds that were demolished by the matriarchy, please elaborate, sounds interesting! 

I&#039;m very aware of my passive aggressive attacks on the patriarchy, by the way.  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many societies there is a strong matriarchal component.  Matrilinality is very rare and is never a mirror image of patrilinality.  But very importantly, this, again, varies a lot across societies, times, and circumstances.  One of the great lessons of anthropology is that this can not be generalized.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know of any playgrounds that were demolished by the matriarchy, please elaborate, sounds interesting! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very aware of my passive aggressive attacks on the patriarchy, by the way.  🙂</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One more thing, humans are partially Matriarchal as the Bonobo is. Mothers are the first teacher unlike Freud&#039;s idea of the Patriarchal father being the teacher. Even as an infant we come to understand warmth, comfort, and eventually love from the mother. There are underlying Matriarchal cultural teachings such as being nurturing toward children and teaching them very young. In chimpanzee culture it is usually the females that teach how to do things such as cracking open nuts to their young ones. I believe it was much latter in our evolutionary history that males usurped the female monopoly on teaching the young. 

I do believe women are trying today to usurp male dominance on being a provider or leader; it is happening now, but in the process I believe women will develop more aggressive drives to put food on the table and maintain a job in a competitive atmosphere.

Even males have female psyche traits, usually, such as fathers are tender and nurturing in addition to being protective. I learned a lot from women...these teachings are cultural. There is a Matriarchy, especially, in western culture where women can lead and be dominant in some form. 

There however are some negative consequences to the Matriarchy, for instance, the imperative to keep children safe has lead to the demolition of playgrounds. Children need to be able to take risks and explore, it is a part of the learning process. Also, the competitive drive may become diminished if we insist too heavily on equality rather than fairness. America is already becoming complacent,less driven, and  dependent on the &quot;Mother&quot; State. This will and is leading to decline if it is not put in check. We&#039;ll see.

Sir, I would also point out that you are being protective of women when you refer to men as being &quot;Demonic.&quot; You are displaying some, at least, passive aggressivity when you do this. You didn&#039;t even notice that the demon inside of you does have noble traits...Ding Dong...Oops a display.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing, humans are partially Matriarchal as the Bonobo is. Mothers are the first teacher unlike Freud&#8217;s idea of the Patriarchal father being the teacher. Even as an infant we come to understand warmth, comfort, and eventually love from the mother. There are underlying Matriarchal cultural teachings such as being nurturing toward children and teaching them very young. In chimpanzee culture it is usually the females that teach how to do things such as cracking open nuts to their young ones. I believe it was much latter in our evolutionary history that males usurped the female monopoly on teaching the young. </p>
<p>I do believe women are trying today to usurp male dominance on being a provider or leader; it is happening now, but in the process I believe women will develop more aggressive drives to put food on the table and maintain a job in a competitive atmosphere.</p>
<p>Even males have female psyche traits, usually, such as fathers are tender and nurturing in addition to being protective. I learned a lot from women&#8230;these teachings are cultural. There is a Matriarchy, especially, in western culture where women can lead and be dominant in some form. </p>
<p>There however are some negative consequences to the Matriarchy, for instance, the imperative to keep children safe has lead to the demolition of playgrounds. Children need to be able to take risks and explore, it is a part of the learning process. Also, the competitive drive may become diminished if we insist too heavily on equality rather than fairness. America is already becoming complacent,less driven, and  dependent on the &#8220;Mother&#8221; State. This will and is leading to decline if it is not put in check. We&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>Sir, I would also point out that you are being protective of women when you refer to men as being &#8220;Demonic.&#8221; You are displaying some, at least, passive aggressivity when you do this. You didn&#8217;t even notice that the demon inside of you does have noble traits&#8230;Ding Dong&#8230;Oops a display.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, indeed, there must be some determination, which is part of the reason we have the global patterns we have.  But the key point here is that one&#039;s explanation ideally explains most of the variance in what we are observing, and a mainly genetic-determinist approach fails to explain the overall pattern very well. 

In the chimp studies that link to the Demonic Male idea, the male violence is not very much related to competing for females, but rather, for resources.  

The sacrificing for women and children thing is probably a cultural trope that varies a lot across societies and circumstances, and I doubt that it applies generally.  

You raise a lot of interesting questions, but the point of this post is to point out the nuances and complexities that we need to address, rather than simply equating male vs. female behavior simplistically across the board. Human relationships and gendered behavior are much more like we find in many song birds than what we find in deer, for example, but the temptation to equate human sexual or competitive behavior to the ungulates is strong and misguided.  And, we need to be very careful about mapping observed features onto underlying biology without careful thought and study (such as the &quot;men as savior&quot; idea, which really does vary a lot across societies, times, places, and circumstances)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, indeed, there must be some determination, which is part of the reason we have the global patterns we have.  But the key point here is that one&#8217;s explanation ideally explains most of the variance in what we are observing, and a mainly genetic-determinist approach fails to explain the overall pattern very well. </p>
<p>In the chimp studies that link to the Demonic Male idea, the male violence is not very much related to competing for females, but rather, for resources.  </p>
<p>The sacrificing for women and children thing is probably a cultural trope that varies a lot across societies and circumstances, and I doubt that it applies generally.  </p>
<p>You raise a lot of interesting questions, but the point of this post is to point out the nuances and complexities that we need to address, rather than simply equating male vs. female behavior simplistically across the board. Human relationships and gendered behavior are much more like we find in many song birds than what we find in deer, for example, but the temptation to equate human sexual or competitive behavior to the ungulates is strong and misguided.  And, we need to be very careful about mapping observed features onto underlying biology without careful thought and study (such as the &#8220;men as savior&#8221; idea, which really does vary a lot across societies, times, places, and circumstances)</p>
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		By: David Gibson		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/07/driving-the-patriarchy-demonic/#comment-505066</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Sir,

There must be some degree of determinism for most males across must species are usually more aggressive territorial and violent. Also the levels of testosterone do impact aggressivity levels in men on average. This has been proven by studies of testosterone levels of men in prison. Don&#039;t genes affect the amount of testosterone a male has? I&#039;m not saying all men with high-T are violent; some harness these drives and become more driven, but yet disciplined.

Speaking of Demonic Males...
Males across species often compete in some form to attract females. Most of this behavior therefor must be attributed to the Y-chromosome. Wouldn&#039;t that be genetic?
In order to get rid of the &quot;Demonic Male&quot; you&#039;d have to get rid of the Y chromosome in the entire Kingdom Animalia. And then unfortunately everything would go extinct. There has to be some aggressivity in most species, otherwise they wouldn&#039;t be able to protect themselves from predation. They would go the way of the Dodo Bird. 

In regards to the violent nature of men...we do have a few noble traits, we used to protect females and young from predators....but are no natural predators other than ourselves anymore...But what about disasters? Men today still would sacrifice themselves to protect women and children. There has to be some way to verify this because I do believe men are more willing to sacrifice themselves for the sake of women and children. Occasionally a good man will protect a woman and child from bad man or on even rarer occasions, he might even slay a beast praying upon women in children...but, that&#039;s rare today and may be why Romance went extinct. We all know a woman would love a man that would die for her.
But let&#039;s say the feminist find a way to multiply through cloning.
If we neuter every male, then won&#039;t risk taking behavior that is necessary go extinct. What do I mean? What about Space Exploration?...In a way, that may take more Balls than Brains. Might we become too complacent and less &quot;driven&quot; and still go extinct in the process when the environment collapses under our weight.

What does survival of the fittest entail? Did we get to this position as the dominant species by being sweet, cuddly, and non-violent creatures? I&#039;m not going to answer that one, I&#039;m just being Captain Obvious.

Any man that wouldn&#039;t chop the head off a venomous snake if children are nearby is completely worthless, at the very least he could trap it and relocate it, but that would take the male behavioral trait known as bravery, which feminist refer to as stupidity. Yes, you do have to have more balls than brains when dealing with snakes, but I do believe this species needs those &quot;Domonic&quot; traits, otherwise we still may go the way of the Dodo Bird.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir,</p>
<p>There must be some degree of determinism for most males across must species are usually more aggressive territorial and violent. Also the levels of testosterone do impact aggressivity levels in men on average. This has been proven by studies of testosterone levels of men in prison. Don&#8217;t genes affect the amount of testosterone a male has? I&#8217;m not saying all men with high-T are violent; some harness these drives and become more driven, but yet disciplined.</p>
<p>Speaking of Demonic Males&#8230;<br />
Males across species often compete in some form to attract females. Most of this behavior therefor must be attributed to the Y-chromosome. Wouldn&#8217;t that be genetic?<br />
In order to get rid of the &#8220;Demonic Male&#8221; you&#8217;d have to get rid of the Y chromosome in the entire Kingdom Animalia. And then unfortunately everything would go extinct. There has to be some aggressivity in most species, otherwise they wouldn&#8217;t be able to protect themselves from predation. They would go the way of the Dodo Bird. </p>
<p>In regards to the violent nature of men&#8230;we do have a few noble traits, we used to protect females and young from predators&#8230;.but are no natural predators other than ourselves anymore&#8230;But what about disasters? Men today still would sacrifice themselves to protect women and children. There has to be some way to verify this because I do believe men are more willing to sacrifice themselves for the sake of women and children. Occasionally a good man will protect a woman and child from bad man or on even rarer occasions, he might even slay a beast praying upon women in children&#8230;but, that&#8217;s rare today and may be why Romance went extinct. We all know a woman would love a man that would die for her.<br />
But let&#8217;s say the feminist find a way to multiply through cloning.<br />
If we neuter every male, then won&#8217;t risk taking behavior that is necessary go extinct. What do I mean? What about Space Exploration?&#8230;In a way, that may take more Balls than Brains. Might we become too complacent and less &#8220;driven&#8221; and still go extinct in the process when the environment collapses under our weight.</p>
<p>What does survival of the fittest entail? Did we get to this position as the dominant species by being sweet, cuddly, and non-violent creatures? I&#8217;m not going to answer that one, I&#8217;m just being Captain Obvious.</p>
<p>Any man that wouldn&#8217;t chop the head off a venomous snake if children are nearby is completely worthless, at the very least he could trap it and relocate it, but that would take the male behavioral trait known as bravery, which feminist refer to as stupidity. Yes, you do have to have more balls than brains when dealing with snakes, but I do believe this species needs those &#8220;Domonic&#8221; traits, otherwise we still may go the way of the Dodo Bird.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2015 02:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If somebody said that, they would be both hypocritical and committing a number of fallacies, and they would rather lack nuance.

On the other hand, reference to deep genetics does an abysmal job of explaining variation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If somebody said that, they would be both hypocritical and committing a number of fallacies, and they would rather lack nuance.</p>
<p>On the other hand, reference to deep genetics does an abysmal job of explaining variation.</p>
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