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		By: Jack		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/06/elevators-and-privilege-a-lett/#comment-553827</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just a smiling visitor here to share the love (:, btw great style and design. “The price one pays for pursuing a profession, or calling, is an intimate knowledge of its ugly side.” by James Arthur Baldwin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a smiling visitor here to share the love (:, btw great style and design. “The price one pays for pursuing a profession, or calling, is an intimate knowledge of its ugly side.” by James Arthur Baldwin.</p>
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		By: Cara		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/06/elevators-and-privilege-a-lett/#comment-505026</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 21:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pathetic Dork @178:  You made these two remarks in the same post:
&lt;blockquote&gt;It is perfectly understandable that women risk assess. We all do, all the time to protect ourselves against various criminals and other threats out there. My point is firstly that &lt;b&gt;it is usually pretty offensive to tell the other person that that is what you are thinking&lt;/b&gt;, because it usually involves accusing an innocent person of being a criminal or potential criminal. That&#039;s hardly polite is it.
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Now, I thought I had explained to you what political correctness was. I&#039;ll repeat. &lt;b&gt;It is the idea that sometimes it is unacceptable to tell the truth. Alasdair was a victim of political correctness. He told the truth (or at least offered an opinion based on fact and logic); it was deemed unacceptable in a trial by media, and he was fired. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Soooo...it&#039;s okay for a poor, pathetic male victim of the Feminazi Cabal to &quot;tell the truth&quot; (heh), but it&#039;s not okay for women to be straightforward about their reasons for being wary of strangers.

Gotcha. 

Dipshit. (Oh, my...how rude of me.  I guess I lose the Tone Argument).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pathetic Dork @178:  You made these two remarks in the same post:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is perfectly understandable that women risk assess. We all do, all the time to protect ourselves against various criminals and other threats out there. My point is firstly that <b>it is usually pretty offensive to tell the other person that that is what you are thinking</b>, because it usually involves accusing an innocent person of being a criminal or potential criminal. That&#8217;s hardly polite is it.<br />
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Now, I thought I had explained to you what political correctness was. I&#8217;ll repeat. <b>It is the idea that sometimes it is unacceptable to tell the truth. Alasdair was a victim of political correctness. He told the truth (or at least offered an opinion based on fact and logic); it was deemed unacceptable in a trial by media, and he was fired. </b></p></blockquote>
<p>Soooo&#8230;it&#8217;s okay for a poor, pathetic male victim of the Feminazi Cabal to &#8220;tell the truth&#8221; (heh), but it&#8217;s not okay for women to be straightforward about their reasons for being wary of strangers.</p>
<p>Gotcha. </p>
<p>Dipshit. (Oh, my&#8230;how rude of me.  I guess I lose the Tone Argument).</p>
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		By: Raging Bee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Raging Bee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;There are tons of us, most afraid to speak up.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh please.  There&#039;s a hard indignorant core of trolls who have been doing absolutely nothing BUT &quot;speaking up&quot; to RW, relentlessly (and pointlessly) trashing her on several threads for WEEKS now -- and now you&#039;re crying about people being &quot;afraid to speak up?&quot;  What, you had a night-terror about a visit from the dreaded Waffen RWSS?  You really expect to be taken seriously with that crybaby bullshit?  I don&#039;t care how many educated women you claim to represent -- you&#039;re a fucking hyperemotional idiot.

I&#039;ve met some educated women myself, and NONE of them sound as ridiculous as you.  Must be something to do with their being, you know, educated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There are tons of us, most afraid to speak up.</i></p>
<p>Oh please.  There&#8217;s a hard indignorant core of trolls who have been doing absolutely nothing BUT &#8220;speaking up&#8221; to RW, relentlessly (and pointlessly) trashing her on several threads for WEEKS now &#8212; and now you&#8217;re crying about people being &#8220;afraid to speak up?&#8221;  What, you had a night-terror about a visit from the dreaded Waffen RWSS?  You really expect to be taken seriously with that crybaby bullshit?  I don&#8217;t care how many educated women you claim to represent &#8212; you&#8217;re a fucking hyperemotional idiot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met some educated women myself, and NONE of them sound as ridiculous as you.  Must be something to do with their being, you know, educated.</p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/06/elevators-and-privilege-a-lett/#comment-505024</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 05:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@194 Did you really just use the equivalent of &quot;I&#039;m supported in email&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@194 Did you really just use the equivalent of &#8220;I&#8217;m supported in email&#8221;?</p>
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		By: Vince whirlwind		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/06/elevators-and-privilege-a-lett/#comment-505023</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vince whirlwind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 05:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s always funny seeing people who well into adulthood are still at school complain of others&#039; priviledge.
 
This is the head of the nail that Dawkins so accurately hit with his very apt comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always funny seeing people who well into adulthood are still at school complain of others&#8217; priviledge.</p>
<p>This is the head of the nail that Dawkins so accurately hit with his very apt comment.</p>
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		By: mk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 04:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;So why the fuck did you try to insinuate that the story might be false, you moron?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because that&#039;s the essence of skepticism ... every story &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; be false. And claiming that no one else has questioned it (which isn&#039;t) true is a fallacy of argumentum ad populum.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So why the fuck did you try to insinuate that the story might be false, you moron?</p></blockquote>
<p>Because that&#8217;s the essence of skepticism &#8230; every story <i>might</i> be false. And claiming that no one else has questioned it (which isn&#8217;t) true is a fallacy of argumentum ad populum.</p>
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		By: bluharmony		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/06/elevators-and-privilege-a-lett/#comment-505021</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bluharmony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 08:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;BUT the facts of the original incident, you, Phyraxus, are the only one even vaguely insinuating that there might be a dispute;&quot;

What a bunch of BS. There are tons of us, most afraid to speak up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;BUT the facts of the original incident, you, Phyraxus, are the only one even vaguely insinuating that there might be a dispute;&#8221;</p>
<p>What a bunch of BS. There are tons of us, most afraid to speak up.</p>
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		By: Markita Lynda: Healthcare is a damn right		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/06/elevators-and-privilege-a-lett/#comment-505020</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Markita Lynda: Healthcare is a damn right]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 02:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Paul Bernardo, Canada&#039;s most notorious rapist and murderer until the pig farmer, used to volunteer as a &quot;safe escort&quot; for women at his university campus. In his spare time he was the &quot;Scarborough Rapist.&quot; Yet to all outward appearances he was a &quot;nice guy&quot; and women, no doubt, would be castigated for wanting to be cautious around him. Ditto Jeffrey Dahmer. 

When will people get that You Can&#039;t Tell by Looking? You have to wait for them to act. And if you&#039;re in a vulnerable situation, that may be too late. 

So, please, enough indignation. Grow up!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Bernardo, Canada&#8217;s most notorious rapist and murderer until the pig farmer, used to volunteer as a &#8220;safe escort&#8221; for women at his university campus. In his spare time he was the &#8220;Scarborough Rapist.&#8221; Yet to all outward appearances he was a &#8220;nice guy&#8221; and women, no doubt, would be castigated for wanting to be cautious around him. Ditto Jeffrey Dahmer. </p>
<p>When will people get that You Can&#8217;t Tell by Looking? You have to wait for them to act. And if you&#8217;re in a vulnerable situation, that may be too late. </p>
<p>So, please, enough indignation. Grow up!</p>
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		By: Markita Lynda: Healthcare is a damn right		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Markita Lynda: Healthcare is a damn right]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 02:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry for the double post: my computer is so slow I think it hasn&#039;t done anything. Just read the second, it&#039;s more coherent. ]]></description>
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		By: Markita Lynda: Healthcare is a damn right		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Markita Lynda: Healthcare is a damn right]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 02:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A few things: I don&#039;t get where calling Dawkins a &quot;rich, old, heterosexual white man&quot; was an insult. It was a description of the bases of his privileged sense of security. &quot;Stinkin&#039; rich&quot; might be going a bit far, but you can see the gerund as an intensifier, which is how it&#039;s usually used, rather than an insult, Now if she&#039;d called him a senile miser, that would have been an insult! *He* called her a whiner. I&#039;d say they&#039;re even. 

Rapists live in our society as wolves in sheep&#039;s clothing. Women have to watch men&#039;s behaviour to peek beneath the wool. A rapist uses the sheep disguise to creep in on women--the basic definition of a &quot;creep.&quot; Then they use, &quot;Just being friendly, just wanted to talk, can&#039;t you take a joke&quot; to deny their incomplete forays. The guy in the elevator was acting in wolf-like ways by ignoring her previous statements. Rebecca was right to be cautious. 

The moral indignation of some commenters bewilders me. Where is your indignation that I have to lock my car--aren&#039;t I calling you a car thief? Where is your indignation against the store that demands to see photo ID or a bank card before cashing a cheque? Isn&#039;t the management calling you a forger? How dare they? Why can they set boundaries about property &amp; money but women can&#039;t set boundaries about their personal safety? Just as you&#039;ve learned to stand the suspicions of car owners and store personnel, you can stand being thought formidable by women. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few things: I don&#8217;t get where calling Dawkins a &#8220;rich, old, heterosexual white man&#8221; was an insult. It was a description of the bases of his privileged sense of security. &#8220;Stinkin&#8217; rich&#8221; might be going a bit far, but you can see the gerund as an intensifier, which is how it&#8217;s usually used, rather than an insult, Now if she&#8217;d called him a senile miser, that would have been an insult! *He* called her a whiner. I&#8217;d say they&#8217;re even. </p>
<p>Rapists live in our society as wolves in sheep&#8217;s clothing. Women have to watch men&#8217;s behaviour to peek beneath the wool. A rapist uses the sheep disguise to creep in on women&#8211;the basic definition of a &#8220;creep.&#8221; Then they use, &#8220;Just being friendly, just wanted to talk, can&#8217;t you take a joke&#8221; to deny their incomplete forays. The guy in the elevator was acting in wolf-like ways by ignoring her previous statements. Rebecca was right to be cautious. </p>
<p>The moral indignation of some commenters bewilders me. Where is your indignation that I have to lock my car&#8211;aren&#8217;t I calling you a car thief? Where is your indignation against the store that demands to see photo ID or a bank card before cashing a cheque? Isn&#8217;t the management calling you a forger? How dare they? Why can they set boundaries about property &#038; money but women can&#8217;t set boundaries about their personal safety? Just as you&#8217;ve learned to stand the suspicions of car owners and store personnel, you can stand being thought formidable by women. </p>
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