Comments on: Ladies, Richard Dawkins knows how to protect you from being raped in an elevator https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/ Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:05:15 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.6 By: Jack Baxter https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504805 Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:05:15 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504805 In reply to Greg Laden.

I’m not sure what a Hungarian political movement did to get involved or what sexist things they did, but of the two people, Watson seems more sexist than Dawkins.
I have never seen Dawkins say or do anything sexist (his comments on this incident may have been ill-thought-out but they definitely weren’t sexist), whereas Watson has all but declared that all male atheists are misogynists, which definitely is sexist.
The general impression I have got over comment threads is that support for Dawkins isn’t growing so much as support for Watson is rapidly shrinking, mostly due to her aggressive and abrasive manner.
She seems to be being reduced to a few core supporters who are with her no matter what. I’ve been labelled a misogynist for saying she was rude and seems like an unpleasant person.
Also, I think your comic panel at the end is slightly inaccurate. It should show the two men standing there calmly, with Dawkins replying “No thanks”, instead of him trying to dig his way out with his shoulder blades in direct contradiction to everything he has said about the matter.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504804 Sat, 19 Apr 2014 02:18:26 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504804 What was sexist was the reaction to Rebecca’s comments by some MRM doods.

]]> By: Jack Baxter https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504803 Sat, 19 Apr 2014 00:24:48 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504803 In reply to Greg Laden.

Maybe it wasn’t her then, but someone started going on about it being sexist.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504802 Thu, 17 Apr 2014 11:46:12 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504802 In reply to Jack Baxter.

It’s been a long time and I could hardly give a fuck and a half but I think she did not call it sexist. She said ‘don’t do that guys’. It was dating advice. As an aside. At the tail end of a video about something else. It was a joke.

]]> By: Jack Baxter https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504801 Thu, 17 Apr 2014 10:03:31 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504801 I think almost everyone got it partly wrong (although I could be wrong on that).
As far as I can see, the guy was politely asking her back for coffee (read: sex), but nicely, evens aying “Don’t take this the wrong way.” Rebecca Watson didn’t make a big deal of it, but she did call it sexist, which it most certainly wasn’t.
Dawkins first response was very ill-thought-out, his second also wasn’t great, but was at least getting back on the right track, while his third cleared the matter up.
Everybody, whatever side they were on, overreacted to everything and a flame war ensued.
Rebecca Watson has since accused him of ‘white male privilege’ (conveniently forgetting that she is white herself), and tried to drag this into sexism while painting Dawkins as sexist, and playing the victim.
TL;DR – Dawkins first response was bad, then he cleared it up, but Rebecca Watson thinks that anything involving a woman is automatically sexist and is pretending she’s the victim of misogyny.

For the record, I believe that a lot of the backlash Watson is getting is due to her generally rude behaviour and the things she says. It is not due to sexism.

]]> By: Adrian https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504800 Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:02:05 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504800 *** THE MOST AMUSING PART OF THIS WHOLE CHILDISH FIASCO IS SEEING WHAT ATHEISTS OCCUPY THEIR MINDS WITH ONCE THEY HAVE DECIDED THAT ALL THERE IS TO LIFE IS CHAOS. I REALLY FEEL SORRY FOR YOU ***

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504799 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:03:12 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504799 John, regardless of what you feel he implied, he sais: “No escape? I am now really puzzled. Here’s how you escape from an elevator. You press any one of the buttons conveniently provided. The elevator will obligingly stop at a floor, the door will open and you will no longer be in a confined space but in a well-lit corridor in a crowded hotel in the centre of Dublin.”

Unfortunately for my keyboard, I was having a sip of coffee when I read your comment that sympathy for his position is growing. Any particular reason you say that? Any evidence? I was thinking the opposite.

]]> By: John Mortimer https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504798 Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:03:52 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504798 I’m not at all seeing where Dawkins said that a woman need not be concerned with her own safety. I think his implication was more along the lines of the fact that women in fancy western European hotels are pretty safe to begin with, and being alone in an elevator with a man is not enough, in and of itself, to be assumed to be at risk.

Dawkins was quite right, and over time, I have seen sympathy with his position grow. Thankfully.

]]> By: FRichardDorkins https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504797 Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:30:24 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504797 Why do they always show pictures of his face? Can we not have the occasional pic of his bottom?

]]> By: kemibe https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504796 Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:45:09 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/07/04/ladies-richard-dawkins-knows-h/#comment-504796 “I can’t tell if you are just a misguided and thoughtless buffoon or if this your attempt to push Dawkins aside and usurp his position as leader of atheism among scientists.”

This reads about the same as “I can’t tell whether you’re incapable of communicating in anything besides gibberish, or fleebrozz errrrrrrrrrr BREEEEEEEEEEEP ice cream neoprene walrusface!!!!! hjfdjshdjsdbfj.” That is to say, this “position of leader of atheism among scientists” to which you refer is very much a misguided and thoughtless (in the sense of “lacking thought,” not “inconsiderate”) construct.

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