Comments on: Is the origin of life different from evolution? https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/ Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:36:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: Obstreperous Applesauce https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-572053 Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:36:12 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-572053 It’s all part of the chemical evolution of the earth and physics (if you ask me–which nobody did, but that never stopped me before).

Also consideration of probability as I’m seeing it here seems pretty useless without inclusion of entropy and the amount of energy being pumped into the earth’s system.

Cause and effect from moment one, people: Superstitions come and go, but cause and effect are forever.

]]> By: Prince https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-571952 Tue, 06 Mar 2018 07:06:09 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-571952 https://ahmedquadri.wordpress.com/2009/08/10/theory-of-evolution-or-modern-day-superstition……/

Read this blog on similar subject.

]]> By: Marco https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504330 Sat, 25 Mar 2017 20:31:03 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504330 Probability theory cannot provide us with much knowledge about the Origin Of Life (OOL), since we do not know the odds. The creationists who have invoked probability theory usually make the unproven and *likely incorrect* assumption that everything is pure chance. However, we know from thermodynamics and kinetics that not everything is equally likely to happen.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504329 Sat, 25 Mar 2017 19:37:18 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504329 In reply to Mark S.

Mark, I have no idea how probability theory can refute an explanation in biology. Perhaps you should reword. In your second paragraph you mention “this idea.” Which idea are you referring to? Your probability theory idea, or something about evolution?

If you are implying that the probability of life originating is low, and that we can demonstrate that with probability theory, I assure you that is impossible.

I suspect, though, that live is highly likely to start up. The earliest evidence of life seems to be emerging in the earliest possible geological contexts. It isn’t like the life-free planet existed for any measurable or observable time with live, unlikely, not starting up. It almost seems like life getting going was simply part of the condensation and cooling of the earth!

]]> By: Mark S https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504328 Sat, 25 Mar 2017 17:14:04 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504328 What about Probability theory refuting the idea of evolution (mutation, adaptive change, natural selection) as an explanation of OOL?

Every article I read debunking this idea, leaves me wondering why I haven’t won that mega million lottery ticket yet.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504327 Tue, 31 Jan 2017 18:38:06 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504327 In reply to Tim.

Yeah, that’s pretty oversimplified.

Imagine a graduate student in history does a thesis on the evolution over time of the automobile industry, but omits an mention whatsoever of origins.

During the thesis defense, someone asks,”why didn’t you talk at all about the origins. That could be important.”

Answer: “Because origins are totally different than the thing that originated.”

Response from faculty: “OK, fine, write two new chapters for your thesis. One on the origin of the auto industry. The other on why you think the origin chapter shouldn’t have been written. See you next year.”

]]> By: Tim https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504326 Tue, 31 Jan 2017 17:02:40 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504326 This article is rather silly. The definition of the scientific theory of life is an explanation for the change in populations of living things over time. For the theory to work, you have to have living things. That’s a very simple pre-qualification, and also very true. So trying to cram abiogenesis into the theory of evolution doesn’t make one iota of sense, because how life began is not the study of living things.

Call it oversimplified if you want, but I think it’s pretty obvious why the two topics are separate.

]]> By: Jarle https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504325 Wed, 14 Sep 2016 05:37:14 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504325 I have tried to find good definitions of the word “Evolution”. It is obvious that it generally means “gradually changing”. But Darwin defined the word for use in biology as describing his theory of common descent. When you use it in comparison to origin of life, then Darwin’s specific definition should give the meaning of the word. And that was the only meaning of the word until 1940, when the “modern synthesis” committee, in an attempt to save the theory from the “eclipse of Darwinism”, redefined the word. In the new terminology it was used to denote adaptation in a population, also known as “population genetics”. But this new definition of the word is known mostly to people working in the field. Most other people, also scientists, think of evolution the way Darwin did. Thereby evolution should ideally include the origin of life.

]]> By: Tim https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504324 Mon, 22 Aug 2016 23:29:38 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504324 http://www.evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/misconceps/IAorigintheory.shtml

]]> By: Celine https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504323 Mon, 28 Dec 2015 17:30:08 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/28/is-the-origin-of-life-differen/#comment-504323 You can use your points to counter your points.

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