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	Comments on: Japan Nuclear Disaster Update 29: Indecent Exposure	</title>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/23/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-8/#comment-504091</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[HP: Again, you are being obnoxious.  You are abusing the privilege of anonymity by acting in a way no one would (usually, normally) act if we knew your name, but for no good. You&#039;re not using your anonymity for an good purpose here.  I am not a sucker for argument from authority, but you have made the argument from authority, and have not seen fit to back up what your qualifications are.  

I may be wrong about what Andrew was asking, but I think he was asking you not to blather on about exposure and dose, but to point out where in this post it was wrong.  Which you have not done.

&lt;em&gt;I don&#039;t expect too many people reading this blog to understand the difference. Hopefully there is one or two.&lt;/em&gt;

Oh.  You just insulted my readers. 

Bye.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP: Again, you are being obnoxious.  You are abusing the privilege of anonymity by acting in a way no one would (usually, normally) act if we knew your name, but for no good. You&#8217;re not using your anonymity for an good purpose here.  I am not a sucker for argument from authority, but you have made the argument from authority, and have not seen fit to back up what your qualifications are.  </p>
<p>I may be wrong about what Andrew was asking, but I think he was asking you not to blather on about exposure and dose, but to point out where in this post it was wrong.  Which you have not done.</p>
<p><em>I don&#8217;t expect too many people reading this blog to understand the difference. Hopefully there is one or two.</em></p>
<p>Oh.  You just insulted my readers. </p>
<p>Bye.</p>
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		By: healthphysicist		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/23/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-8/#comment-504090</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[healthphysicist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg -

Why does it matter to you who I am?  Are you a sucker for Argument From Authority?  My comments are scientifically sound, though that may be obnoxious shit for you.  Too fucking bad.  Defend your arguments against my arguments, not who I am.  

I fully answered Andrew&#039;s question, but I will provide an analogy for the Landenites.

Suppose I put you in a room with 100 malaria-Laden mosquitos for an hour.  Your Exposure is 100 mosquito-hours.

But if only three mosquitos bite you, then your Dose is 3 mosquito-hours.

Exposure is different than dose.

I don&#039;t expect too many people reading this blog to understand the difference.  Hopefully there is one or two.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg &#8211;</p>
<p>Why does it matter to you who I am?  Are you a sucker for Argument From Authority?  My comments are scientifically sound, though that may be obnoxious shit for you.  Too fucking bad.  Defend your arguments against my arguments, not who I am.  </p>
<p>I fully answered Andrew&#8217;s question, but I will provide an analogy for the Landenites.</p>
<p>Suppose I put you in a room with 100 malaria-Laden mosquitos for an hour.  Your Exposure is 100 mosquito-hours.</p>
<p>But if only three mosquitos bite you, then your Dose is 3 mosquito-hours.</p>
<p>Exposure is different than dose.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect too many people reading this blog to understand the difference.  Hopefully there is one or two.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/23/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-8/#comment-504089</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 03:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[HP, sorry, your very informative comment was held in moderation until just now.

Looking at your comment and my post, though, I think you failed to answer Andrew&#039;s question.  I&#039;d love to know what I got wrong so I can fix it. Or are you just going to continue to be a self congratulating undocumented (as in, we really have no idea who you are) obnoxious shit, as usual?  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP, sorry, your very informative comment was held in moderation until just now.</p>
<p>Looking at your comment and my post, though, I think you failed to answer Andrew&#8217;s question.  I&#8217;d love to know what I got wrong so I can fix it. Or are you just going to continue to be a self congratulating undocumented (as in, we really have no idea who you are) obnoxious shit, as usual?  </p>
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		By: healthphysicist		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/23/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-8/#comment-504088</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[healthphysicist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 02:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andrew-

Exposure is the energy absorbed by air from radiation.  Dose is the energy absorbed by human tissue by radiation.   Since air and tissue have different densities, the energy absorption per unit length travelled by radiation is different in each medium (note there is no single tissue density, bone tissue density is different than lung tissue density for example, whereas air is pretty homogenous).

The Gray is actually the term for dose (joules/kg of absorbed radiation energy).  However, different types of radiation (alpha, beta, neutron, etc.) produce different biological effects for the same dose.  The Sievert employs a radiation weighting factor to account for this.  The Sievert is then a unit of dose equivalence. However, there is another concept which also relates the tissue sensitivity (not all tissues equally sensitive) to the dose and radiation weighting factor.  That concept is called the effective dose equivalent and also has units of Sievert.

So it can be quite confusing and you won&#039;t get an appreciation of the important nuances from the mainstream press - which seems to be Greg&#039;s preferred source of scientific information.  There are reliable scientific sources of information, but don&#039;t look to this blog for it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew-</p>
<p>Exposure is the energy absorbed by air from radiation.  Dose is the energy absorbed by human tissue by radiation.   Since air and tissue have different densities, the energy absorption per unit length travelled by radiation is different in each medium (note there is no single tissue density, bone tissue density is different than lung tissue density for example, whereas air is pretty homogenous).</p>
<p>The Gray is actually the term for dose (joules/kg of absorbed radiation energy).  However, different types of radiation (alpha, beta, neutron, etc.) produce different biological effects for the same dose.  The Sievert employs a radiation weighting factor to account for this.  The Sievert is then a unit of dose equivalence. However, there is another concept which also relates the tissue sensitivity (not all tissues equally sensitive) to the dose and radiation weighting factor.  That concept is called the effective dose equivalent and also has units of Sievert.</p>
<p>So it can be quite confusing and you won&#8217;t get an appreciation of the important nuances from the mainstream press &#8211; which seems to be Greg&#8217;s preferred source of scientific information.  There are reliable scientific sources of information, but don&#8217;t look to this blog for it.</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/23/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-8/#comment-504087</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[healthphysicist, could you please explain what is wrong with the use of &quot;exposre&quot; and &quot;dose&quot; here? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>healthphysicist, could you please explain what is wrong with the use of &#8220;exposre&#8221; and &#8220;dose&#8221; here? </p>
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		By: James Aach		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/23/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-8/#comment-504086</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Aach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[US nuclear facilities generally use &quot;millirem&quot; as the unit of exposure, where one milliSievert (mSv) is equial to 100 millrem.  A general review of radiation and dose rates for the lay person is included in my book &quot;Rad Decision: A Novel of Nuclear Power&quot;.  It is available free online at http://RadDecision.blogspot.com and there is a link to the radiation chapter at the homepage.  There are also many reviews in the homepage comments. (No ads, no one makes $$$ of the site.)

 I&#039;ve worked in the US nuclear industry 25 years and have written a story that captures both the routine workings of an American atomic plant and what an accident might be like.  (The event portrayed is similar to Fukushima - same reactor type, same initial problem.) I tried to cover the good AND the bad -- like anything, it&#039;s a mix.  Unfortunately, my media presence consists of this little-known book and website, so I&#039;m not an acknowledged &quot;expert&quot;.  I just do the nuclear stuff for a living. 

One of the interesting things about modern nuclear power in the US is that few really understand how it works day to day, and I include in that bin most scientists and journalists doing their best to address the topic.  If we are to make better decisions about our energy future, we&#039;d do well to first understand our energy present.

â??I got to about page four and I was hooked, I couldnâ??t put it downâ?¦ It was very easy to read.&quot;  -- DAVID LEVY, noted science author and comet discoverer.
   
VICKY commented at the homepage:  &quot;Thanks for making this available onlineâ?¦.  Your novel explains the workings of a nuclear plant, so that a layperson can understand.  A very suspenseful read!&quot;   



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US nuclear facilities generally use &#8220;millirem&#8221; as the unit of exposure, where one milliSievert (mSv) is equial to 100 millrem.  A general review of radiation and dose rates for the lay person is included in my book &#8220;Rad Decision: A Novel of Nuclear Power&#8221;.  It is available free online at <a href="http://RadDecision.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://RadDecision.blogspot.com</a> and there is a link to the radiation chapter at the homepage.  There are also many reviews in the homepage comments. (No ads, no one makes $$$ of the site.)</p>
<p> I&#8217;ve worked in the US nuclear industry 25 years and have written a story that captures both the routine workings of an American atomic plant and what an accident might be like.  (The event portrayed is similar to Fukushima &#8211; same reactor type, same initial problem.) I tried to cover the good AND the bad &#8212; like anything, it&#8217;s a mix.  Unfortunately, my media presence consists of this little-known book and website, so I&#8217;m not an acknowledged &#8220;expert&#8221;.  I just do the nuclear stuff for a living. </p>
<p>One of the interesting things about modern nuclear power in the US is that few really understand how it works day to day, and I include in that bin most scientists and journalists doing their best to address the topic.  If we are to make better decisions about our energy future, we&#8217;d do well to first understand our energy present.</p>
<p>â??I got to about page four and I was hooked, I couldnâ??t put it downâ?¦ It was very easy to read.&#8221;  &#8212; DAVID LEVY, noted science author and comet discoverer.</p>
<p>VICKY commented at the homepage:  &#8220;Thanks for making this available onlineâ?¦.  Your novel explains the workings of a nuclear plant, so that a layperson can understand.  A very suspenseful read!&#8221;   </p>
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		By: Analiese Miller and Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/23/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-8/#comment-504085</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Analiese Miller and Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sv, not mSv.  Thanks for the correction.  

Nick, yes.

Eric, the statement that they said that appears to be correct. That what they said is correct is something you&#039;d need to check with them!  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sv, not mSv.  Thanks for the correction.  </p>
<p>Nick, yes.</p>
<p>Eric, the statement that they said that appears to be correct. That what they said is correct is something you&#8217;d need to check with them!  </p>
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		By: Joffan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/23/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-8/#comment-504084</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joffan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not to pile on too much; I think, Greg, you (or your source) accidentally left the milli- prefix where it shouldn&#039;t have been, for your first paragraph above. 1Sv, not 1mSv, may make some people feel sick. 10Sv may be deadly; 10mSv will not even be noticeable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to pile on too much; I think, Greg, you (or your source) accidentally left the milli- prefix where it shouldn&#8217;t have been, for your first paragraph above. 1Sv, not 1mSv, may make some people feel sick. 10Sv may be deadly; 10mSv will not even be noticeable.</p>
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		By: BrokenDrum		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrokenDrum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Tom on this one - if 1 Sv = 1 Gy or thereabouts, as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieverts, and if the table of mortality rates in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisoning is correct, then your figures are out by at least two orders of magnitude.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Tom on this one &#8211; if 1 Sv = 1 Gy or thereabouts, as in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieverts" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieverts</a>, and if the table of mortality rates in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisoning" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisoning</a> is correct, then your figures are out by at least two orders of magnitude.</p>
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		By: Eric Lund		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/23/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-8/#comment-504082</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Lund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;[The Fort Calhoun] plant is in a safe cold shutdown and can remain so indefinitely, the reactor&#039;s owners and federal regulators say.&lt;/i&gt;

I have no independent way of knowing whether this statement is true or false. But I remember hearing similar statements about Fukushima Daiichi back in March. I hope this time they&#039;re right, but I have to be skeptical given the industry&#039;s track record.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[The Fort Calhoun] plant is in a safe cold shutdown and can remain so indefinitely, the reactor&#8217;s owners and federal regulators say.</i></p>
<p>I have no independent way of knowing whether this statement is true or false. But I remember hearing similar statements about Fukushima Daiichi back in March. I hope this time they&#8217;re right, but I have to be skeptical given the industry&#8217;s track record.</p>
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