<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss"
	xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#"
	
	>
<channel>
	<title>
	Comments on: Gay Judges should NOT be allowed to rule on Gay Laws	</title>
	<atom:link href="https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:43:24 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>
	hourly	</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>
	1	</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8</generator>
	<item>
		<title>
		By: Jeremy Leeds		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503923</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Leeds]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503923</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Would a straight judge have been obligated to recuse himself on the basis of claims that, because &quot;gay marriage undermines the sanctity of traditional marriage&quot;, he would had a vested interest in seeing Prop 8 upheld?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would a straight judge have been obligated to recuse himself on the basis of claims that, because &#8220;gay marriage undermines the sanctity of traditional marriage&#8221;, he would had a vested interest in seeing Prop 8 upheld?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Smartest Person ITT		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503922</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smartest Person ITT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503922</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Straight Judges should NOT be allowed to rule on Straight Laws]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straight Judges should NOT be allowed to rule on Straight Laws</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Timberwoof		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503921</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timberwoof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 03:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503921</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Mike, it was an open secret before the trial that Judge Walker is gay. What was not well-known was that he has a steady boyfriend. The Prop Hate folks are trying to get the ruling thrown out because he&#039;s gay, but are trying desperately to have it not look like that. 

It comes down to that they don&#039;t have any facts on their side and are grasping at any straws to keep them afloat. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, it was an open secret before the trial that Judge Walker is gay. What was not well-known was that he has a steady boyfriend. The Prop Hate folks are trying to get the ruling thrown out because he&#8217;s gay, but are trying desperately to have it not look like that. </p>
<p>It comes down to that they don&#8217;t have any facts on their side and are grasping at any straws to keep them afloat. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Mike Haubrich		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503920</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Haubrich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 02:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503920</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[I guess I don&#039;t understand why they didn&#039;t bring this up before the initial trial.  IANAL and don&#039;t know the rules of procedure, but it seems to me that if they had an objection to his sexual preference then they should have made it at soon as Walker&#039;s name appeared with the case on the docket.  Or were they waiting to see how he ruled before deciding whether or not he was biased?

]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I don&#8217;t understand why they didn&#8217;t bring this up before the initial trial.  IANAL and don&#8217;t know the rules of procedure, but it seems to me that if they had an objection to his sexual preference then they should have made it at soon as Walker&#8217;s name appeared with the case on the docket.  Or were they waiting to see how he ruled before deciding whether or not he was biased?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: George K		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503919</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503919</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[And yet a straight married judge isn&#039;t going to be thrown off for being potentially biased against gay marriage. What an interesting double standard.

Biases occur in every judge, best they try to avoid it. Disqualification based on demographic is dangerous and generalized. It presumes things to be true that may not be.

There is a reason why laws are given several appeals and chances for review. If a bias happens, the next one will see through it. But if the argument is sound, it stands.

There is so much about this guy&#039;s sexuality and nothing about the argument. Why should this be overturned?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet a straight married judge isn&#8217;t going to be thrown off for being potentially biased against gay marriage. What an interesting double standard.</p>
<p>Biases occur in every judge, best they try to avoid it. Disqualification based on demographic is dangerous and generalized. It presumes things to be true that may not be.</p>
<p>There is a reason why laws are given several appeals and chances for review. If a bias happens, the next one will see through it. But if the argument is sound, it stands.</p>
<p>There is so much about this guy&#8217;s sexuality and nothing about the argument. Why should this be overturned?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Phillip IV		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503918</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phillip IV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503918</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Timberwoof @ #3:

&lt;blockquote&gt;None of the public complaints I&#039;ve seen about the decision point out any fallacies of logic, formal or informal, in the published opinion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, technically that&#039;s not relevant - recusal doesn&#039;t really hinge on the presence of an &lt;i&gt;actual&lt;/i&gt; bias, a judge is supposed to recuse themselves whenever not doing so could merely reasonably create the &lt;i&gt;appearance&lt;/i&gt; of partiality. Of course it&#039;s still nonsensical to apply that to any fundamental trait like race, gender or sexual orientation, and the complaint is sure to end up going nowhere - and the complainants are actually likely aware of that. But it&#039;s bound to be a windfall for their fund-raising, since it plays so perfectly in their supporters&#039; &quot;white, straight, male Christian as default&quot; mindset.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timberwoof @ #3:</p>
<blockquote><p>None of the public complaints I&#8217;ve seen about the decision point out any fallacies of logic, formal or informal, in the published opinion.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, technically that&#8217;s not relevant &#8211; recusal doesn&#8217;t really hinge on the presence of an <i>actual</i> bias, a judge is supposed to recuse themselves whenever not doing so could merely reasonably create the <i>appearance</i> of partiality. Of course it&#8217;s still nonsensical to apply that to any fundamental trait like race, gender or sexual orientation, and the complaint is sure to end up going nowhere &#8211; and the complainants are actually likely aware of that. But it&#8217;s bound to be a windfall for their fund-raising, since it plays so perfectly in their supporters&#8217; &#8220;white, straight, male Christian as default&#8221; mindset.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Timberwoof		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503917</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timberwoof]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503917</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Just as scientists are expected to publish their hypotheses, experimental method, data, and interpretations, judges publish opinions in which they lay out the facts of the case, the arguments presented, an analysis of case law and consequences, and the decision. 

The accusation that Judge Vaughn Walker was biased in his decision is equivalent to stating that the decision does not logically follow the facts presented in court. None of the public complaints I&#039;ve seen about the decision point out any fallacies of logic, formal or informal, in the published opinion. The complaint rests on the notion that Walker was inherently biased, but fails to point out how his decision does not follow from the evidence. 

Indeed, Judge Walker bent over backwards to try to get the defense to present a better argument. He asked whether they had any evidence and the response was that no evidence is needed. The case for Proposition 8 just falls flat on its face. 

The idea that Walker cannot decide fairly in a case about gay marriage is as prejudiced as a number of other conservative/Republican ideas lately. White people who voted for Obama were accused of racism, as were blacks. John McCain counted on sexism when he chose Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate. Don&#039;t cha know, all the feminist women are bound to vote for a women running for the president of this great country of ours. 

One should also point out to Walker&#039;s accusers that he ruled against the Gay Olympics, forcing them to change the name to Gay Games. If he actually was biased in cases about gay people then I could say &quot;I played hockey in the Gay Olympics&quot; and people would know what I meant. 

And oh, yes! Yesterday was the anniversary of Loving v. Virginia, which struck down laws that banned interracial marriage. I suppose the Prop 8 proponents think all the judges who ruled on that one should have recused themselves. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as scientists are expected to publish their hypotheses, experimental method, data, and interpretations, judges publish opinions in which they lay out the facts of the case, the arguments presented, an analysis of case law and consequences, and the decision. </p>
<p>The accusation that Judge Vaughn Walker was biased in his decision is equivalent to stating that the decision does not logically follow the facts presented in court. None of the public complaints I&#8217;ve seen about the decision point out any fallacies of logic, formal or informal, in the published opinion. The complaint rests on the notion that Walker was inherently biased, but fails to point out how his decision does not follow from the evidence. </p>
<p>Indeed, Judge Walker bent over backwards to try to get the defense to present a better argument. He asked whether they had any evidence and the response was that no evidence is needed. The case for Proposition 8 just falls flat on its face. </p>
<p>The idea that Walker cannot decide fairly in a case about gay marriage is as prejudiced as a number of other conservative/Republican ideas lately. White people who voted for Obama were accused of racism, as were blacks. John McCain counted on sexism when he chose Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate. Don&#8217;t cha know, all the feminist women are bound to vote for a women running for the president of this great country of ours. </p>
<p>One should also point out to Walker&#8217;s accusers that he ruled against the Gay Olympics, forcing them to change the name to Gay Games. If he actually was biased in cases about gay people then I could say &#8220;I played hockey in the Gay Olympics&#8221; and people would know what I meant. </p>
<p>And oh, yes! Yesterday was the anniversary of Loving v. Virginia, which struck down laws that banned interracial marriage. I suppose the Prop 8 proponents think all the judges who ruled on that one should have recused themselves. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Art		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503916</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503916</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[Douglas Adams solved the question of judicial bias by finding a being who lived on a planet so isolated and far removed from the rest of the universe he was unaware and unconcerned about anything but his small little cabin and his pet cat, as I remember it. All the really big and important issues were brought to him and a completely unbiased answer delivered.

]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas Adams solved the question of judicial bias by finding a being who lived on a planet so isolated and far removed from the rest of the universe he was unaware and unconcerned about anything but his small little cabin and his pet cat, as I remember it. All the really big and important issues were brought to him and a completely unbiased answer delivered.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: Andrew		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503915</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503915</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[What about Eunuchs, though. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Eunuchs, though. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
		<item>
		<title>
		By: George		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503914</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/06/13/gay-judges-should-not-be-allow/#comment-503914</guid>

					<description><![CDATA[I think the logic can be simplified. On a gay rights issue, no one can rule as there are only biased opinions. Not gay, you are biased against, gay you are biased for. This can be extended to many more situations.

Decisions are reviewed on the merits of the decision]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the logic can be simplified. On a gay rights issue, no one can rule as there are only biased opinions. Not gay, you are biased against, gay you are biased for. This can be extended to many more situations.</p>
<p>Decisions are reviewed on the merits of the decision</p>
]]></content:encoded>
		
			</item>
	</channel>
</rss>
