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		By: phillydoug		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/05/26/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-4/#comment-503320</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 15:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;Peter Karamoskos, a Nuclear Radiologist and public representative on the Radiation Health Committee of the Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency argues in â??Do we know the Chernobyl death toll?â? that despite uncertainties about the numbers, â??The weight of scientific opinion holds that there is no threshold below which ionising radiation poses no risk and that the risk is proportional to the dose: the &quot;linear no-threshold&quot; (LNT) model.â?

Drawing on the 2006 report of the Committee on the Biological Effects of Ionising Radiation (BEIR) of the US National Academy of Sciences. Karamoskos points out: â??The â?¦ view that low-level radiation is harmless, is restricted to a small number of scientists whose voice is greatly amplified by the nuclear industry (in much the same way as corporate greenhouse polluters amplify the voices of climate science sceptics).â?

He continues:

There is general agreement that about 50 people died in the immediate aftermath of the Chernobyl accident. Beyond that, studies generally don&#039;t indicate a significant increase in cancer incidence in populations exposed to Chernobyl fallout. Nor would anyone expect them to because of the data gaps and methodological problems mentioned above, and because the main part of the problem concerns the exposure of millions of people to very low doses of radiation from Chernobyl fallout.

For a few marginal scientists and nuclear industry spruikers, that&#039;s the end of the matter - the statistical evidence is lacking and thus the death toll from Chernobyl was just 50. Full stop. But for those of us who prefer mainstream science, we can still arrive at a scientifically defensible estimate of the Chernobyl death toll by using estimates of the total radiation exposure, and multiplying by a standard risk estimate.

The International Atomic Energy Agency estimates a total collective dose of 600,000 Sieverts over 50 years from Chernobyl fallout. A standard risk estimate from the International Commission on Radiological Protection is 0.05 fatal cancers per Sievert. Multiply those figures and we get an estimated 30,000 fatal cancers. A number of studies apply that basic method - based on collective radiation doses and risk estimates - and come up with estimates of the death toll varying from 9000 (in the most contaminated parts of the former Soviet Union) to 93,000 deaths (across Europe). Those are the credible estimates of the likely eventual death toll from Chernobyl. 

Claims that the death toll was just 50 should be rejected as dishonest spin from the nuclear industry and some of its most strident and scientifically-illiterate supporters.

Karamaskos then turns to Fukushima, observing that

Nuclear industry spruikers will insist that no-one is at risk from low-level radiation exposure from Fukushima. The rest of us will need to wait some months or years before we have a plausible estimate of total human radiation exposure upon which to base an estimate of the death toll. To date, radiation releases from Fukushima are estimated by the Japanese government to be 10 per cent of the total Chernobyl release. 

Needless to say, the view that low-level radiation is harmless is completely at odds with the current situation in Japan - the 20 km evacuation zone around the Fukushima nuclear plant, restrictions on food and water consumption in Japan and restrictions on the importation of food from Japan.&quot;

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<p>&#8220;Peter Karamoskos, a Nuclear Radiologist and public representative on the Radiation Health Committee of the Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency argues in â??Do we know the Chernobyl death toll?â? that despite uncertainties about the numbers, â??The weight of scientific opinion holds that there is no threshold below which ionising radiation poses no risk and that the risk is proportional to the dose: the &#8220;linear no-threshold&#8221; (LNT) model.â?</p>
<p>Drawing on the 2006 report of the Committee on the Biological Effects of Ionising Radiation (BEIR) of the US National Academy of Sciences. Karamoskos points out: â??The â?¦ view that low-level radiation is harmless, is restricted to a small number of scientists whose voice is greatly amplified by the nuclear industry (in much the same way as corporate greenhouse polluters amplify the voices of climate science sceptics).â?</p>
<p>He continues:</p>
<p>There is general agreement that about 50 people died in the immediate aftermath of the Chernobyl accident. Beyond that, studies generally don&#8217;t indicate a significant increase in cancer incidence in populations exposed to Chernobyl fallout. Nor would anyone expect them to because of the data gaps and methodological problems mentioned above, and because the main part of the problem concerns the exposure of millions of people to very low doses of radiation from Chernobyl fallout.</p>
<p>For a few marginal scientists and nuclear industry spruikers, that&#8217;s the end of the matter &#8211; the statistical evidence is lacking and thus the death toll from Chernobyl was just 50. Full stop. But for those of us who prefer mainstream science, we can still arrive at a scientifically defensible estimate of the Chernobyl death toll by using estimates of the total radiation exposure, and multiplying by a standard risk estimate.</p>
<p>The International Atomic Energy Agency estimates a total collective dose of 600,000 Sieverts over 50 years from Chernobyl fallout. A standard risk estimate from the International Commission on Radiological Protection is 0.05 fatal cancers per Sievert. Multiply those figures and we get an estimated 30,000 fatal cancers. A number of studies apply that basic method &#8211; based on collective radiation doses and risk estimates &#8211; and come up with estimates of the death toll varying from 9000 (in the most contaminated parts of the former Soviet Union) to 93,000 deaths (across Europe). Those are the credible estimates of the likely eventual death toll from Chernobyl. </p>
<p>Claims that the death toll was just 50 should be rejected as dishonest spin from the nuclear industry and some of its most strident and scientifically-illiterate supporters.</p>
<p>Karamaskos then turns to Fukushima, observing that</p>
<p>Nuclear industry spruikers will insist that no-one is at risk from low-level radiation exposure from Fukushima. The rest of us will need to wait some months or years before we have a plausible estimate of total human radiation exposure upon which to base an estimate of the death toll. To date, radiation releases from Fukushima are estimated by the Japanese government to be 10 per cent of the total Chernobyl release. </p>
<p>Needless to say, the view that low-level radiation is harmless is completely at odds with the current situation in Japan &#8211; the 20 km evacuation zone around the Fukushima nuclear plant, restrictions on food and water consumption in Japan and restrictions on the importation of food from Japan.&#8221;</p>
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		By: phillydoug		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/05/26/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-4/#comment-503319</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 13:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ Mike: &quot;Seriously, when do we declare this is worse than Chernobyl?&quot;

Excerpt from my comment on May 18:

&quot;5% of the core of one reactor released by a &#039;steam explosion&#039; at Chernobyl... three meltdowns, multiple explosions, multiple fires (including at spent fuel ponds, which are also compromised) at Daiichi...

it&#039;s evident that situation is considerably worse than at Chernobyl.&quot;

No shortage of folks have been saying this since March (I can take no credit for being ahead of the curve).

Of course, the nuclear advocates and major media don&#039;t consider those pointing out the obvious-- that in every respect Daiichi is worse than Chernobyl, and will have much more severe health and environmental effects-- to have the credentials or expertise to be taken seriously. 

Celebrated physicists can be called ignorant fearmongers, and entire scientific institutions can be dismissed for &#039;having an agenda&#039; if they fail to repeat the nuclear mantra, so forget about an NGO like Greenpeace or the Union of Concerned Scientists.

See the pattern?  

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Mike: &#8220;Seriously, when do we declare this is worse than Chernobyl?&#8221;</p>
<p>Excerpt from my comment on May 18:</p>
<p>&#8220;5% of the core of one reactor released by a &#8216;steam explosion&#8217; at Chernobyl&#8230; three meltdowns, multiple explosions, multiple fires (including at spent fuel ponds, which are also compromised) at Daiichi&#8230;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s evident that situation is considerably worse than at Chernobyl.&#8221;</p>
<p>No shortage of folks have been saying this since March (I can take no credit for being ahead of the curve).</p>
<p>Of course, the nuclear advocates and major media don&#8217;t consider those pointing out the obvious&#8211; that in every respect Daiichi is worse than Chernobyl, and will have much more severe health and environmental effects&#8211; to have the credentials or expertise to be taken seriously. </p>
<p>Celebrated physicists can be called ignorant fearmongers, and entire scientific institutions can be dismissed for &#8216;having an agenda&#8217; if they fail to repeat the nuclear mantra, so forget about an NGO like Greenpeace or the Union of Concerned Scientists.</p>
<p>See the pattern?  </p>
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		By: cairne.morane		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/05/26/japan-nuclear-disaster-update-4/#comment-503318</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 03:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So I&#039;m guessing that&#039;s a &#039;no&#039; on guided tours of the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex?

Seriously, when do we declare this is worse than Chernobyl?

Mike.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;m guessing that&#8217;s a &#8216;no&#8217; on guided tours of the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex?</p>
<p>Seriously, when do we declare this is worse than Chernobyl?</p>
<p>Mike.</p>
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