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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/05/01/osama-bin-laden-has-been-kille/#comment-502639</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 18:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sometimes ... things happen. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes &#8230; things happen. </p>
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		By: MacTurk		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/05/01/osama-bin-laden-has-been-kille/#comment-502638</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MacTurk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 18:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to apologise for the dopuble post.  Sorry people. 

I have no idea how this happened.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to apologise for the dopuble post.  Sorry people. </p>
<p>I have no idea how this happened.</p>
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		By: MacTurk		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/05/01/osama-bin-laden-has-been-kille/#comment-502637</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MacTurk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 15:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bin Laden is dead, which is, on balance, positive.  

The first problem is that he was, over the last five years, just a sick old symbol, with very little active input.  He established a terrorism franchise, and that is still, sadly, very healthy.  Oh, and now it has a martyr figure.

The second issue is that America tends to need a public enemy, a personality, for large parts of its foreign policy.  I am sure Faux News will be providing several candidates for the role of Public Enemy No 1.

The third issue is a simple question.  Why did it take so long?

The fourth issue is the position of Pakistan.  Did ISI simply decide that UBL had out-lived his usefulness?  I think there was humint here, as technical asssets have been conspicuously ineffective over the last ten years. 

And yes, Faux News, and all the other usual suspects from the sewer which now constitutes the &quot;conservative commentariat&quot;, is busy either claiming that &quot;President Osama&quot; was killed, or re-writing history to claim that the real hero here is G.W. Bush(Bush Jnr).

The USA is stuck in two unwinnable wars.  First, there is &quot;The War on Terror&quot; , which is a war on an abstract concept.  It is just a bit difficult to decide what the winning criteria are here.  Are we satisified when the noun has been expunged from all respectable dictionaries?

Then there is &quot;The War on Drugs&quot;, which is essentially a war against human nature itself.  This has been &quot;fought&quot;, at great expense and conspicuous lack of success, for at least twenty years now.  There is no sign that drug use is decreasing in the USA, but you now have various economic sectors with a vested interest in this idiocy, while your imprisonment rate is, by far, the highest in the developed world.  I was going to write &quot;civilised&quot;, but it didn&#039;t seem to fit.  Best of luck with your war against humanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bin Laden is dead, which is, on balance, positive.  </p>
<p>The first problem is that he was, over the last five years, just a sick old symbol, with very little active input.  He established a terrorism franchise, and that is still, sadly, very healthy.  Oh, and now it has a martyr figure.</p>
<p>The second issue is that America tends to need a public enemy, a personality, for large parts of its foreign policy.  I am sure Faux News will be providing several candidates for the role of Public Enemy No 1.</p>
<p>The third issue is a simple question.  Why did it take so long?</p>
<p>The fourth issue is the position of Pakistan.  Did ISI simply decide that UBL had out-lived his usefulness?  I think there was humint here, as technical asssets have been conspicuously ineffective over the last ten years. </p>
<p>And yes, Faux News, and all the other usual suspects from the sewer which now constitutes the &#8220;conservative commentariat&#8221;, is busy either claiming that &#8220;President Osama&#8221; was killed, or re-writing history to claim that the real hero here is G.W. Bush(Bush Jnr).</p>
<p>The USA is stuck in two unwinnable wars.  First, there is &#8220;The War on Terror&#8221; , which is a war on an abstract concept.  It is just a bit difficult to decide what the winning criteria are here.  Are we satisified when the noun has been expunged from all respectable dictionaries?</p>
<p>Then there is &#8220;The War on Drugs&#8221;, which is essentially a war against human nature itself.  This has been &#8220;fought&#8221;, at great expense and conspicuous lack of success, for at least twenty years now.  There is no sign that drug use is decreasing in the USA, but you now have various economic sectors with a vested interest in this idiocy, while your imprisonment rate is, by far, the highest in the developed world.  I was going to write &#8220;civilised&#8221;, but it didn&#8217;t seem to fit.  Best of luck with your war against humanity.</p>
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		By: MacTurk		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/05/01/osama-bin-laden-has-been-kille/#comment-502636</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MacTurk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 13:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bin Laden is dead, which is, on balance, positive.  

The first problem is that he was, over the last five years, just a sick old symbol, with very little active input.  He established a terrorism franchise, and that is still, sadly, very healthy.  Oh, and now it has a martyr figure.

The second issue is that America tends to need a public enemy, a personality, for large parts of its foreign policy.  I am sure Faux News will be providing several candidates for the role of Public Enemy No 1.

The third issue is a simple question.  Why did it take so long?

The fourth issue is the position of Pakistan.  Did ISI simply decide that UBL had out-lived his usefulness?  I think there was humint here, as technical asssets have been conspicuously ineffective over the last ten years. 

And yes, Faux News, and all the other usual suspects from the sewer which now constitutes the &quot;conservative commentariat&quot;, is busy either claiming that &quot;President Osama&quot; was killed, or re-writing history to claim that the real hero here is G.W. Bush(Bush Jnr).

The USA is stuck in two unwinnable wars.  First, there is &quot;The War on Terror&quot; , which is a war on an abstract concept.  It is just a bit difficult to decide what the winning criteria are here.  Are we satisified when the noun has been expunged from all respectable dictionaries?

Then there is &quot;The War on Drugs&quot;, which is essentially a war against human nature itself.  This has been &quot;fought&quot;, at great expense and conspicuous lack of success, for at least twenty years now.  There is no sign that drug use is decreasing in the USA, but you now have various economic sectors with a vested interest in this idiocy, while your imprisonment rate is, by far, the highest in the developed world.  I was going to write &quot;civilised&quot;, but it didn&#039;t seem to fit.  Best of luck with your war against humanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bin Laden is dead, which is, on balance, positive.  </p>
<p>The first problem is that he was, over the last five years, just a sick old symbol, with very little active input.  He established a terrorism franchise, and that is still, sadly, very healthy.  Oh, and now it has a martyr figure.</p>
<p>The second issue is that America tends to need a public enemy, a personality, for large parts of its foreign policy.  I am sure Faux News will be providing several candidates for the role of Public Enemy No 1.</p>
<p>The third issue is a simple question.  Why did it take so long?</p>
<p>The fourth issue is the position of Pakistan.  Did ISI simply decide that UBL had out-lived his usefulness?  I think there was humint here, as technical asssets have been conspicuously ineffective over the last ten years. </p>
<p>And yes, Faux News, and all the other usual suspects from the sewer which now constitutes the &#8220;conservative commentariat&#8221;, is busy either claiming that &#8220;President Osama&#8221; was killed, or re-writing history to claim that the real hero here is G.W. Bush(Bush Jnr).</p>
<p>The USA is stuck in two unwinnable wars.  First, there is &#8220;The War on Terror&#8221; , which is a war on an abstract concept.  It is just a bit difficult to decide what the winning criteria are here.  Are we satisified when the noun has been expunged from all respectable dictionaries?</p>
<p>Then there is &#8220;The War on Drugs&#8221;, which is essentially a war against human nature itself.  This has been &#8220;fought&#8221;, at great expense and conspicuous lack of success, for at least twenty years now.  There is no sign that drug use is decreasing in the USA, but you now have various economic sectors with a vested interest in this idiocy, while your imprisonment rate is, by far, the highest in the developed world.  I was going to write &#8220;civilised&#8221;, but it didn&#8217;t seem to fit.  Best of luck with your war against humanity.</p>
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		By: MacTurk		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/05/01/osama-bin-laden-has-been-kille/#comment-502635</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MacTurk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 11:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bin Laden is dead, which is, on balance, positive.  

The first problem is that he was, over the last five years, just a sick old symbol, with very little active input.  He established a terrorism franchise, and that is still, sadly, very healthy.  Oh, and now it has a martyr figure.

The second issue is that America tends to need a public enemy, a personality, for large parts of its foreign policy.  I am sure Faux News will be providing several candidates for the role of Public Enemy No 1.

The third issue is a simple question.  Why did it take so long?

The fourth issue is the position of Pakistan.  Did ISI simply decide that UBL had out-lived his usefulness?  I think there was humint here, as technical asssets have been conspicuously ineffective over the last ten years. 

And yes, Faux News, and all the other usual suspects from the sewer which now constitutes the &quot;conservative commentariat&quot;, is busy either claiming that &quot;President Osama&quot; was killed, or re-writing history to claim that the real hero here is G.W. Bush(Bush Jnr).

The USA is stuck in two unwinnable wars.  First, there is &quot;The War on Terror&quot; , which is a war on an abstract concept.  It is just a bit difficult to decide what the winning criteria are here.  Are we satisified when the noun has been expunged from all respectable dictionaries?

Then there is &quot;The War on Drugs&quot;, which is essentially a war against human nature itself.  This has been &quot;fought&quot;, at great expense and conspicuous lack of success, for at least twenty years now.  There is no sign that drug use is decreasing in the USA, but you now have various economic sectors with a vested interest in this idiocy, while your imprisonment rate is, by far, the highest in the developed world.  I was going to write &quot;civilised&quot;, but it didn&#039;t seem to fit.  Best of luck with your war against humanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bin Laden is dead, which is, on balance, positive.  </p>
<p>The first problem is that he was, over the last five years, just a sick old symbol, with very little active input.  He established a terrorism franchise, and that is still, sadly, very healthy.  Oh, and now it has a martyr figure.</p>
<p>The second issue is that America tends to need a public enemy, a personality, for large parts of its foreign policy.  I am sure Faux News will be providing several candidates for the role of Public Enemy No 1.</p>
<p>The third issue is a simple question.  Why did it take so long?</p>
<p>The fourth issue is the position of Pakistan.  Did ISI simply decide that UBL had out-lived his usefulness?  I think there was humint here, as technical asssets have been conspicuously ineffective over the last ten years. </p>
<p>And yes, Faux News, and all the other usual suspects from the sewer which now constitutes the &#8220;conservative commentariat&#8221;, is busy either claiming that &#8220;President Osama&#8221; was killed, or re-writing history to claim that the real hero here is G.W. Bush(Bush Jnr).</p>
<p>The USA is stuck in two unwinnable wars.  First, there is &#8220;The War on Terror&#8221; , which is a war on an abstract concept.  It is just a bit difficult to decide what the winning criteria are here.  Are we satisified when the noun has been expunged from all respectable dictionaries?</p>
<p>Then there is &#8220;The War on Drugs&#8221;, which is essentially a war against human nature itself.  This has been &#8220;fought&#8221;, at great expense and conspicuous lack of success, for at least twenty years now.  There is no sign that drug use is decreasing in the USA, but you now have various economic sectors with a vested interest in this idiocy, while your imprisonment rate is, by far, the highest in the developed world.  I was going to write &#8220;civilised&#8221;, but it didn&#8217;t seem to fit.  Best of luck with your war against humanity.</p>
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		By: Lorax		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/05/01/osama-bin-laden-has-been-kille/#comment-502634</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 21:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[and this is why progressive/liberal viewpoints are almost non-existent at the federal level. Because the republican party has &#039;jumped the shark&#039; the democratic party has shifted dramatically to the right to fill the void and gather up moderate center-right votes. Progressives/liberals have taken the chicken shit approach that we will accept the bully that simply beats us up if we don&#039;t give him our lunch money, as opposed to the sociopath. If a voice says Im not accepting the bully anymore, then the voice gets accused of supporting the sociopath.

Maybe its time we start sticking up for ourselves and not simply accept the leavings of a center-right society?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and this is why progressive/liberal viewpoints are almost non-existent at the federal level. Because the republican party has &#8216;jumped the shark&#8217; the democratic party has shifted dramatically to the right to fill the void and gather up moderate center-right votes. Progressives/liberals have taken the chicken shit approach that we will accept the bully that simply beats us up if we don&#8217;t give him our lunch money, as opposed to the sociopath. If a voice says Im not accepting the bully anymore, then the voice gets accused of supporting the sociopath.</p>
<p>Maybe its time we start sticking up for ourselves and not simply accept the leavings of a center-right society?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/05/01/osama-bin-laden-has-been-kille/#comment-502633</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 21:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;If four years of Trump is what it takes to convince the Democrats that they need&lt;/em&gt;

Do you have a nose?  I&#039;m thinking you probably cut it off a long time ago.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If four years of Trump is what it takes to convince the Democrats that they need</em></p>
<p>Do you have a nose?  I&#8217;m thinking you probably cut it off a long time ago.  </p>
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		By: mad the swine		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/05/01/osama-bin-laden-has-been-kille/#comment-502632</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mad the swine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 19:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Lorax, I will be really pissed at you if you put Donald Trump in office. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Count me in as another vote for a third party.

Bush would have won in 1992 (and maybe Dole in &#039;96, too) if Perot hadn&#039;t run to the right of the Republican Party and siphoned off votes from their base.  The Republicans learned from this.  They&#039;ve been pushing harder and harder right, giving their hardcore base more and more of what they want, and in 2000 and 2004 that strategy paid off.

If four years of Trump is what it takes to convince the Democrats that they need to start paying attention to their progressive base, instead of pushing so far to the &#039;center&#039; that they nominate moderate Republicans like Obama, that&#039;s a small price to pay.

On topic:  Bush and Bush Lite finally got their man (and his family, and innocent bystanders, but never mind that; we don&#039;t know their names, so they must not really be human).  I see no reason to cheer this particular stop on the Forever War Express any more than I cheer for any other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Lorax, I will be really pissed at you if you put Donald Trump in office. </p></blockquote>
<p>Count me in as another vote for a third party.</p>
<p>Bush would have won in 1992 (and maybe Dole in &#8217;96, too) if Perot hadn&#8217;t run to the right of the Republican Party and siphoned off votes from their base.  The Republicans learned from this.  They&#8217;ve been pushing harder and harder right, giving their hardcore base more and more of what they want, and in 2000 and 2004 that strategy paid off.</p>
<p>If four years of Trump is what it takes to convince the Democrats that they need to start paying attention to their progressive base, instead of pushing so far to the &#8216;center&#8217; that they nominate moderate Republicans like Obama, that&#8217;s a small price to pay.</p>
<p>On topic:  Bush and Bush Lite finally got their man (and his family, and innocent bystanders, but never mind that; we don&#8217;t know their names, so they must not really be human).  I see no reason to cheer this particular stop on the Forever War Express any more than I cheer for any other.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 17:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lorax, I will be really pissed at you if you put Donald Trump in office. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorax, I will be really pissed at you if you put Donald Trump in office. </p>
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		By: itzac		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/05/01/osama-bin-laden-has-been-kille/#comment-502630</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[itzac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 17:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Lorax,

Was it Kodos or Kang who said, &quot;Go ahead, waste your vote!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lorax,</p>
<p>Was it Kodos or Kang who said, &#8220;Go ahead, waste your vote!&#8221;</p>
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