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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 17:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Duwayne, I agree, but there is another alternative at least for short term:  Become a party hack, as it were.  The system is different in every state, but here in Minnesota I can get thirty people together and virtually guarantee that a resolution to name a street after my Aunt Tillie gets considered at the level of the national party for the Democrats.  They will, of course, ignore that. But if my resolution was to form a commission or panel in Congress to come to develop a reasonable white paper on GMOs, there is a reasonable chance that that would be looked at seriously.  

Not that I&#039;ve done that, but i could!  If I cared, that is. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duwayne, I agree, but there is another alternative at least for short term:  Become a party hack, as it were.  The system is different in every state, but here in Minnesota I can get thirty people together and virtually guarantee that a resolution to name a street after my Aunt Tillie gets considered at the level of the national party for the Democrats.  They will, of course, ignore that. But if my resolution was to form a commission or panel in Congress to come to develop a reasonable white paper on GMOs, there is a reasonable chance that that would be looked at seriously.  </p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;ve done that, but i could!  If I cared, that is. </p>
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		By: LarianLeQuella		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/04/12/the-antidote-to-apathy/#comment-501980</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LarianLeQuella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 16:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Meh...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh&#8230;</p>
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		By: DuWayne		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/04/12/the-antidote-to-apathy/#comment-501979</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DuWayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 05:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That was a very interesting, given the context of most of the almost four hour conversation I just had with Juniper. Unfortunately, the very nature of the barriers he discusses is a barrier to his solution. I have become far too cynical because of that exact problem - the solutions to a great many problems are rather obvious, it&#039;s just that no one believes they are possible. Or at least not &lt;i&gt;enough&lt;/i&gt; people believe they are possible.

I used to believe they were possible and the part of me that is still capable of hope, still believes they are. But that is a desperate hope, born of the understanding that if they don&#039;t change, we simply won&#039;t survive - and my desire to see my children do just that...survive I mean. 

What&#039;s really funny - in a sad, dark sort of way, is that I am almost certain that the vast majority of us are reasonably cognizant of at least some steps that might bring us back from teh brink. Even people who I mostly disagree with on most things, understand that one fo the biggest barriers we have to engagement (in the U.S.) is political parties. I don&#039;t think I know a partisan hack for every twenty people I know definitely aren&#039;t. Yet with very few exceptions, all of them faithfully vote for republicrats, because if they don&#039;t, their vote won&#039;t count.

I have little doubt that if everyone who believes that political parties - or at least the two major parties in the U.S. marginalize them as voters actually stopped fucking voting for them, they would evaporate within a few election cycles, if not immediately. It may well cause a greater diversity of ideas, not necessarily better ideas for teh most part, but it would also mean that actual voters would be represented. But of course, if we don&#039;t vote fucking republicrat, our votes don&#039;t count...Not that they actually count anyways.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a very interesting, given the context of most of the almost four hour conversation I just had with Juniper. Unfortunately, the very nature of the barriers he discusses is a barrier to his solution. I have become far too cynical because of that exact problem &#8211; the solutions to a great many problems are rather obvious, it&#8217;s just that no one believes they are possible. Or at least not <i>enough</i> people believe they are possible.</p>
<p>I used to believe they were possible and the part of me that is still capable of hope, still believes they are. But that is a desperate hope, born of the understanding that if they don&#8217;t change, we simply won&#8217;t survive &#8211; and my desire to see my children do just that&#8230;survive I mean. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s really funny &#8211; in a sad, dark sort of way, is that I am almost certain that the vast majority of us are reasonably cognizant of at least some steps that might bring us back from teh brink. Even people who I mostly disagree with on most things, understand that one fo the biggest barriers we have to engagement (in the U.S.) is political parties. I don&#8217;t think I know a partisan hack for every twenty people I know definitely aren&#8217;t. Yet with very few exceptions, all of them faithfully vote for republicrats, because if they don&#8217;t, their vote won&#8217;t count.</p>
<p>I have little doubt that if everyone who believes that political parties &#8211; or at least the two major parties in the U.S. marginalize them as voters actually stopped fucking voting for them, they would evaporate within a few election cycles, if not immediately. It may well cause a greater diversity of ideas, not necessarily better ideas for teh most part, but it would also mean that actual voters would be represented. But of course, if we don&#8217;t vote fucking republicrat, our votes don&#8217;t count&#8230;Not that they actually count anyways.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/04/12/the-antidote-to-apathy/#comment-501978</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 04:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see no spinning thingie.  Maybe you don&#039;t live in &#039;merika or something? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see no spinning thingie.  Maybe you don&#8217;t live in &#8216;merika or something? </p>
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		By: pacnw socialist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pacnw socialist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 04:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[the embedded video player is unwatchable.  there&#039;s an obnoxious dark square in the middle with a stupid revolving circle in it that doesn&#039;t go away.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the embedded video player is unwatchable.  there&#8217;s an obnoxious dark square in the middle with a stupid revolving circle in it that doesn&#8217;t go away.</p>
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		By: Don		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/04/12/the-antidote-to-apathy/#comment-501976</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 01:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like I really care or something . . . .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I really care or something . . . .</p>
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		By: NewEnglandBob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NewEnglandBob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 23:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I watched the first 30 seconds of this video and I thought this guy&#039;s attitude and presentation skills suck, so I stopped watching.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the first 30 seconds of this video and I thought this guy&#8217;s attitude and presentation skills suck, so I stopped watching.</p>
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