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	Comments on: Why Was the Grizzly Man Eaten by a Bear? (Film review and commentary)	</title>
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		By: linedomino.net		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/04/04/why-was-the-grizzly-man-eaten/#comment-589935</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[linedomino.net]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2018 15:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Valuable info. Lucky me I found your site accidentally, and I am stunned why this twist of fate didn&#039;t happened earlier!

I bookmarked it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valuable info. Lucky me I found your site accidentally, and I am stunned why this twist of fate didn&#8217;t happened earlier!</p>
<p>I bookmarked it.</p>
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		By: Aurelio Chamberlin		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/04/04/why-was-the-grizzly-man-eaten/#comment-565213</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aurelio Chamberlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2018 19:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are actually lots of particulars like that to take into consideration. That could be a nice point to bring up. I offer the thoughts above as general inspiration however clearly there are questions just like the one you bring up where a very powerful factor might be working in sincere good faith. I don?t know if finest practices have emerged round issues like that, but I am sure that your job is clearly recognized as a fair game. Both girls and boys feel the affect of only a second’s pleasure, for the remainder of their lives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are actually lots of particulars like that to take into consideration. That could be a nice point to bring up. I offer the thoughts above as general inspiration however clearly there are questions just like the one you bring up where a very powerful factor might be working in sincere good faith. I don?t know if finest practices have emerged round issues like that, but I am sure that your job is clearly recognized as a fair game. Both girls and boys feel the affect of only a second’s pleasure, for the remainder of their lives.</p>
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		By: Patsi		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/04/04/why-was-the-grizzly-man-eaten/#comment-554637</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patsi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2017 19:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t figure out why TT had the cap on the video camera while it was running? Was this on purpose? Was it to leave evidence for people to hear what happened to him? I think he had a death wish.
He was on a suicide mission. Whether consciously or unconsciously. And he knew that this is how he wanted to die. His letter even said that his death would make more of an impact to his &#039;work&#039;
Too bad he took his girlfriend with him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t figure out why TT had the cap on the video camera while it was running? Was this on purpose? Was it to leave evidence for people to hear what happened to him? I think he had a death wish.<br />
He was on a suicide mission. Whether consciously or unconsciously. And he knew that this is how he wanted to die. His letter even said that his death would make more of an impact to his &#8216;work&#8217;<br />
Too bad he took his girlfriend with him.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/04/04/why-was-the-grizzly-man-eaten/#comment-501696</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2017 20:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;the bear was seeking energy supplies-food &quot;

Has nowt to do with spiritual. And just call it food rather than the silly ephemeral term &quot;energy&quot;.

&quot;these souls met fed off each&quot;

Yeah, presupposing something not in evidence. There&#039;s pheromones. There&#039;s also the possibility that neither &quot;fed off the other&quot;. Bears HAVE been known to kill people. They&#039;re wild. Duh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the bear was seeking energy supplies-food &#8221;</p>
<p>Has nowt to do with spiritual. And just call it food rather than the silly ephemeral term &#8220;energy&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;these souls met fed off each&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, presupposing something not in evidence. There&#8217;s pheromones. There&#8217;s also the possibility that neither &#8220;fed off the other&#8221;. Bears HAVE been known to kill people. They&#8217;re wild. Duh.</p>
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		By: Eve		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/04/04/why-was-the-grizzly-man-eaten/#comment-501695</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2017 13:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Greg:-) It doesn&#039;t really matter which bear did it - the question is WHY ? the bear did it - salmon? possibly but there&#039;s much more to it than that. Bears have an acute sense of smell and are extremely territorial:
1) The girlfriend was NEW in the bears community and would have been perceived by the bears as a possible threat to group
2) Was the girlfriend wearing perfumes?? (forensics could test remains to conclude it) some perfumes are synthetically enhanced with animal urine and other animal products - this would too be a possible threat of territorial behaviour
3) Sorry to be forward here but was the girlfriend in menstruation -  this could be perceived as food, mating, and the bear man could have been seen as a threat 
4) It could have been a new odor or odd behavior the bear felt threatened about. 
5) Spiritually speaking as like attracts like the bear man was seeking to go home but was frustrated and stalled sorting out their travel tickets (the bear was seeking energy supplies-food and was frustrated). The bear man was defensive and angry (so too was the bear) - sadly these souls met fed off each others vibrationnal energies - it was a sad regrettable ending for all three souls who now are a peace with one another. RIP.
I guess the true reason won&#039;t be concluded as the lens cap was on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Greg:-) It doesn&#8217;t really matter which bear did it &#8211; the question is WHY ? the bear did it &#8211; salmon? possibly but there&#8217;s much more to it than that. Bears have an acute sense of smell and are extremely territorial:<br />
1) The girlfriend was NEW in the bears community and would have been perceived by the bears as a possible threat to group<br />
2) Was the girlfriend wearing perfumes?? (forensics could test remains to conclude it) some perfumes are synthetically enhanced with animal urine and other animal products &#8211; this would too be a possible threat of territorial behaviour<br />
3) Sorry to be forward here but was the girlfriend in menstruation &#8211;  this could be perceived as food, mating, and the bear man could have been seen as a threat<br />
4) It could have been a new odor or odd behavior the bear felt threatened about.<br />
5) Spiritually speaking as like attracts like the bear man was seeking to go home but was frustrated and stalled sorting out their travel tickets (the bear was seeking energy supplies-food and was frustrated). The bear man was defensive and angry (so too was the bear) &#8211; sadly these souls met fed off each others vibrationnal energies &#8211; it was a sad regrettable ending for all three souls who now are a peace with one another. RIP.<br />
I guess the true reason won&#8217;t be concluded as the lens cap was on.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/04/04/why-was-the-grizzly-man-eaten/#comment-501694</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2017 22:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Before this thread degenerated into “God-mocking”&quot;

How can you mock something that doesn&#039;t exist? What&#039;s being mocked is the idea of such a ridiculous thing and how dumb it is to do so.

When you complain about ISIS&#039;s abhorrent actions, are you &quot;God hating&quot;? It&#039;s their god who they say told them to do all this, so if you hate that, you hate god.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Before this thread degenerated into “God-mocking”&#8221;</p>
<p>How can you mock something that doesn&#8217;t exist? What&#8217;s being mocked is the idea of such a ridiculous thing and how dumb it is to do so.</p>
<p>When you complain about ISIS&#8217;s abhorrent actions, are you &#8220;God hating&#8221;? It&#8217;s their god who they say told them to do all this, so if you hate that, you hate god.</p>
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		By: Trudy Cooper		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/04/04/why-was-the-grizzly-man-eaten/#comment-501693</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trudy Cooper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2017 21:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Before this thread degenerated into “God-mocking”(and with the exception of the heartless homophobic Angela and the Death-Porn-Samantha), I was deeply appreciative of the many years of thoughtful commentary left here! Thank you in particular to Caldera Girl, Greg Laden, and Daedalus for your facts, insights, and sincere questions.  

Perhaps from all these ruminations, we learn more about humans—our fears, idealism, and dreads--than we do about the Grizzlies.  Last night I watched the film for the first time.  What struck me most was that Timothy, for all his manic antics, had not provoked the Grizzlies for 13 summers.  I conclude as many of you did, that they were well fed.  I know from wildlife rescue that the basic animal instincts and reactivity-- fight, flight or fright-- are always there, but the tummy is full and no threats are apparent, animals appear to &quot;rise above&quot; (or to the side at least), from those basic instincts.  Depending on the nature of the (well fed and unthreatened) animal, there can then emerge what certainly looks like affection, play, and yes, even a bond. 

Posthumously, I want to show Tim enough respect to acknowledge that—despite his beliefs about the “bond”-- he certainly was intellectually clear MANY TIMES that he knew full well how dangerous the Grizzlies were.  I am guessing it was his manic nature that caused him, despite this awareness, to walk that line of great risk and to invite his girlfriend to do the same.  

But either way, for me the fascination is the degree to which our sense of reality hinges so much on whether it was a “friend” bear or a “rogue” bear that killed Timothy Treadwell.  This goes beyond all that stuff about how one theory causes people to act inappropriately with wild animals, and the other, less so. The real story is about us with other humans. Because when we read about someone’s untimely death, we can’t help but identify.  Do we want to identify with Timothy as betrayed by a friend or murdered by a crazy stranger? A stranger that would have killed anyone?  If the latter, it’s not personal.  You’re just as dead of course but it wasn’t personal.  If the former, it WAS personal.  Maybe we flee quickly to the avalanche of uncharitable judgments (how stupid!  How arrogant! How horrible to not protect his girlfriend!) as a solid and convincing distraction from our own deep fears or recollections of friendship betrayed. We want to think we won’t be as stupid with our next friend as we were with the last one.  Somehow, loudly yelling “stupid!” at someone else helps us pretend this will be the case, because we are projectile vomiting this very shortcoming out of ourselves and onto him.  Whew.

Personally, I wasn’t inclined to write or yell “stupid” in relation to Timothy Treadwell.  Because again, I’m learning more about us humans from all this than from either Timothy or his beloved Grizzlies. But I did notice a lifting of my mood when I read the entry in which someone recounted the EVIDENCE provided by the rangers regarding Bear #141. 

A rogue.  A hungry, desperate, impersonal rogue.  Not a friend.  At least, I told myself again, it wasn’t a friend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before this thread degenerated into “God-mocking”(and with the exception of the heartless homophobic Angela and the Death-Porn-Samantha), I was deeply appreciative of the many years of thoughtful commentary left here! Thank you in particular to Caldera Girl, Greg Laden, and Daedalus for your facts, insights, and sincere questions.  </p>
<p>Perhaps from all these ruminations, we learn more about humans—our fears, idealism, and dreads&#8211;than we do about the Grizzlies.  Last night I watched the film for the first time.  What struck me most was that Timothy, for all his manic antics, had not provoked the Grizzlies for 13 summers.  I conclude as many of you did, that they were well fed.  I know from wildlife rescue that the basic animal instincts and reactivity&#8211; fight, flight or fright&#8211; are always there, but the tummy is full and no threats are apparent, animals appear to &#8220;rise above&#8221; (or to the side at least), from those basic instincts.  Depending on the nature of the (well fed and unthreatened) animal, there can then emerge what certainly looks like affection, play, and yes, even a bond. </p>
<p>Posthumously, I want to show Tim enough respect to acknowledge that—despite his beliefs about the “bond”&#8211; he certainly was intellectually clear MANY TIMES that he knew full well how dangerous the Grizzlies were.  I am guessing it was his manic nature that caused him, despite this awareness, to walk that line of great risk and to invite his girlfriend to do the same.  </p>
<p>But either way, for me the fascination is the degree to which our sense of reality hinges so much on whether it was a “friend” bear or a “rogue” bear that killed Timothy Treadwell.  This goes beyond all that stuff about how one theory causes people to act inappropriately with wild animals, and the other, less so. The real story is about us with other humans. Because when we read about someone’s untimely death, we can’t help but identify.  Do we want to identify with Timothy as betrayed by a friend or murdered by a crazy stranger? A stranger that would have killed anyone?  If the latter, it’s not personal.  You’re just as dead of course but it wasn’t personal.  If the former, it WAS personal.  Maybe we flee quickly to the avalanche of uncharitable judgments (how stupid!  How arrogant! How horrible to not protect his girlfriend!) as a solid and convincing distraction from our own deep fears or recollections of friendship betrayed. We want to think we won’t be as stupid with our next friend as we were with the last one.  Somehow, loudly yelling “stupid!” at someone else helps us pretend this will be the case, because we are projectile vomiting this very shortcoming out of ourselves and onto him.  Whew.</p>
<p>Personally, I wasn’t inclined to write or yell “stupid” in relation to Timothy Treadwell.  Because again, I’m learning more about us humans from all this than from either Timothy or his beloved Grizzlies. But I did notice a lifting of my mood when I read the entry in which someone recounted the EVIDENCE provided by the rangers regarding Bear #141. </p>
<p>A rogue.  A hungry, desperate, impersonal rogue.  Not a friend.  At least, I told myself again, it wasn’t a friend.</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2017 15:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t that slang for a hairy large gay man?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t that slang for a hairy large gay man?</p>
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		By: dean		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2017 12:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aaron, are you trying to say god is a bear?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, are you trying to say god is a bear?</p>
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		By: Wow		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/04/04/why-was-the-grizzly-man-eaten/#comment-501690</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 May 2017 08:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I take it jc and all his apostles were godmockers too, since they were all killed, right?

Otherwise it looks like you die if you mock god and die if you don&#039;t mock god. Exactly what you&#039;d expect if there was no god.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it jc and all his apostles were godmockers too, since they were all killed, right?</p>
<p>Otherwise it looks like you die if you mock god and die if you don&#8217;t mock god. Exactly what you&#8217;d expect if there was no god.</p>
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