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		By: Johnny Daniel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Johnny Daniel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 04:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok, so I have read everything to this point. Coal or Nuclear power, what may have you both are bad and good for different reason and the same reasons etcâ?¦.

Living 90 miles away from Fukushima, I sit here in dismay of the current events;

NHK on March 15th the order was to â??shelter inâ? place to keep yourself safe, for anyone within 50 miles of Tokyo.

NHK reports that the Japan news government predicated that the radiation would reach as far as 150 miles south, but we not sure if the measurement is correct on March 16th. â??It was correctâ?.

Both reports have been removed from NHK website. 

If this is the benefits of Nuclear Power, who seems to control everything around me or at least the people reporting the information; SHOOT- SIGN ME UP for another round of this!! I love being lied to!!! 

One the note of Comparisons, Iâ??m really sick and tired of them. I know I get radiation from everything in life. Thanks, I already knew that- What measure should I take at this point? Life insurance or extra Health insurance?  Can I get a group discount? 

Just saying- 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so I have read everything to this point. Coal or Nuclear power, what may have you both are bad and good for different reason and the same reasons etcâ?¦.</p>
<p>Living 90 miles away from Fukushima, I sit here in dismay of the current events;</p>
<p>NHK on March 15th the order was to â??shelter inâ? place to keep yourself safe, for anyone within 50 miles of Tokyo.</p>
<p>NHK reports that the Japan news government predicated that the radiation would reach as far as 150 miles south, but we not sure if the measurement is correct on March 16th. â??It was correctâ?.</p>
<p>Both reports have been removed from NHK website. </p>
<p>If this is the benefits of Nuclear Power, who seems to control everything around me or at least the people reporting the information; SHOOT- SIGN ME UP for another round of this!! I love being lied to!!! </p>
<p>One the note of Comparisons, Iâ??m really sick and tired of them. I know I get radiation from everything in life. Thanks, I already knew that- What measure should I take at this point? Life insurance or extra Health insurance?  Can I get a group discount? </p>
<p>Just saying- </p>
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		By: Johnny Daniel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 04:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok, so I have read everything to this point. Coal or Nuclear power, what may have you both are bad and good for different reason and the same reasons etcâ?¦.

Living 90 miles away from Fukushima, I sit here in dismay of the current events;

NHK on March 15th the order was to â??shelter inâ? place to keep yourself safe, for anyone within 50 miles of Tokyo.

NHK reports that the Japan news government predicated that the radiation would reach as far as 150 miles south, but we not sure if the measurement is correct on March 16th. â??It was correctâ?.

Both reports have been removed from NHK website. 

If this is the benefits of Nuclear Power, who seems to control everything around me or at least the people reporting the information; SHOOT- SIGN ME UP for another round of this!! I love being lied to!!! 

One the note of Comparisons, Iâ??m really sick and tired of them. I know I get radiation from everything in life. Thanks, I already knew that- What measure should I take at this point? Life insurance or extra Health insurance?  Can I get a group discount? 

Just saying- 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so I have read everything to this point. Coal or Nuclear power, what may have you both are bad and good for different reason and the same reasons etcâ?¦.</p>
<p>Living 90 miles away from Fukushima, I sit here in dismay of the current events;</p>
<p>NHK on March 15th the order was to â??shelter inâ? place to keep yourself safe, for anyone within 50 miles of Tokyo.</p>
<p>NHK reports that the Japan news government predicated that the radiation would reach as far as 150 miles south, but we not sure if the measurement is correct on March 16th. â??It was correctâ?.</p>
<p>Both reports have been removed from NHK website. </p>
<p>If this is the benefits of Nuclear Power, who seems to control everything around me or at least the people reporting the information; SHOOT- SIGN ME UP for another round of this!! I love being lied to!!! </p>
<p>One the note of Comparisons, Iâ??m really sick and tired of them. I know I get radiation from everything in life. Thanks, I already knew that- What measure should I take at this point? Life insurance or extra Health insurance?  Can I get a group discount? </p>
<p>Just saying- </p>
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		By: Giliell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I would not be surprised if Tokyo water filtration plants were already taking all sorts of minerals out of the water, given that terrain like Japan must have a lot of minerals provided to the ground water. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
From what I&#039;ve heard they&#039;re hardly using the ground water anyway for the Tokio water supply, they use rivers and such (which also requires heavy filtration) but which meant that the current contamination is most likely not due to ground water contamination but due to the contamination in the air that gets picked up by the rivers and such]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I would not be surprised if Tokyo water filtration plants were already taking all sorts of minerals out of the water, given that terrain like Japan must have a lot of minerals provided to the ground water. </p></blockquote>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve heard they&#8217;re hardly using the ground water anyway for the Tokio water supply, they use rivers and such (which also requires heavy filtration) but which meant that the current contamination is most likely not due to ground water contamination but due to the contamination in the air that gets picked up by the rivers and such</p>
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		By: daedalus2u		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Usually they only take out  divalent metals like Ca, Mg, Fe and Mn.  Systems for taking those out won&#039;t take out Cs or I.  Cs is the harder one to take out.  It isn&#039;t difficult but you need specialized and dedicated equipment.  And then you need to put the waste somewhere.  Getting rid of the radioactive stuff is probably the most expensive part of the process.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usually they only take out  divalent metals like Ca, Mg, Fe and Mn.  Systems for taking those out won&#8217;t take out Cs or I.  Cs is the harder one to take out.  It isn&#8217;t difficult but you need specialized and dedicated equipment.  And then you need to put the waste somewhere.  Getting rid of the radioactive stuff is probably the most expensive part of the process.  </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[phillydoug: I must have converted kilometers into kilometers in my head, thinking they were miles.  

Daedalus2u: I would not be surprised if Tokyo water filtration plants were already taking all sorts of minerals out of the water, given that terrain like Japan must have a lot of minerals provided to the ground water. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phillydoug: I must have converted kilometers into kilometers in my head, thinking they were miles.  </p>
<p>Daedalus2u: I would not be surprised if Tokyo water filtration plants were already taking all sorts of minerals out of the water, given that terrain like Japan must have a lot of minerals provided to the ground water. </p>
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		By: daedalus2u		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Julia #92,  There is enough thorium and uranium in the average rocks of the Earth&#039;s crust so that those rocks have a higher energy content than coal.  0.5 ppm makes the energy content of rock the same as really good coal.  

There are ~4 ppm U and 12 ppm Th in the average rocks of the Earth&#039;s crust.  This is ~30x the energy content of an equal mass of coal.  

This does require breeder reactors and fuel reprocessing but those reactors don&#039;t need to be like Chernobyl (which was designed to produce plutonium for bombs).  

Taking Cs and I out of drinking water is not difficult to do on a large scale.  I expect that the Japanese will set up to do that now.  It is cheaper than large scale desalination which they might do too.   ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia #92,  There is enough thorium and uranium in the average rocks of the Earth&#8217;s crust so that those rocks have a higher energy content than coal.  0.5 ppm makes the energy content of rock the same as really good coal.  </p>
<p>There are ~4 ppm U and 12 ppm Th in the average rocks of the Earth&#8217;s crust.  This is ~30x the energy content of an equal mass of coal.  </p>
<p>This does require breeder reactors and fuel reprocessing but those reactors don&#8217;t need to be like Chernobyl (which was designed to produce plutonium for bombs).  </p>
<p>Taking Cs and I out of drinking water is not difficult to do on a large scale.  I expect that the Japanese will set up to do that now.  It is cheaper than large scale desalination which they might do too.   </p>
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		By: phillydoug		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg,

Thanks for the update, and all the work you&#039;ve been doing.

&quot;Isn&#039;t Tokyo about 400 km away?&quot;

The Distance between Fukushima (Fukushima) and Tokyo (Tokyo) is :

238.34 kilometers (km). 
The approximately estimated travel/road distance can be around 274.09 km to 297.92 km 

In Other Units:
148.1 miles. The approximately estimated travel/road distance can be around 170.31 miles to 185.12 miles 
128.61 nautical miles.

(source: http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com)

The question for me is what the aquifer looks like between Fukushima and Tokyo. That&#039;s the ballgame in terms of long term dissemination of the isotopes. Once the longer lived stuff infiltrates the soil, it will percolate for years, and will accumlate in hot spots, some of which will undoubtedly be in large population areas.



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>Thanks for the update, and all the work you&#8217;ve been doing.</p>
<p>&#8220;Isn&#8217;t Tokyo about 400 km away?&#8221;</p>
<p>The Distance between Fukushima (Fukushima) and Tokyo (Tokyo) is :</p>
<p>238.34 kilometers (km).<br />
The approximately estimated travel/road distance can be around 274.09 km to 297.92 km </p>
<p>In Other Units:<br />
148.1 miles. The approximately estimated travel/road distance can be around 170.31 miles to 185.12 miles<br />
128.61 nautical miles.</p>
<p>(source: <a href="http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com</a>)</p>
<p>The question for me is what the aquifer looks like between Fukushima and Tokyo. That&#8217;s the ballgame in terms of long term dissemination of the isotopes. Once the longer lived stuff infiltrates the soil, it will percolate for years, and will accumlate in hot spots, some of which will undoubtedly be in large population areas.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Henry, Philly, this just in:  

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Japanese government is urging residents who live between 20 and 30 kilometers from crippled Fukushima nuclear plant to &quot;voluntarily evacuate&quot; the region, citing the difficulties of daily life there and the possibility of more radiation leaks.

Prior to this, people in these areas had been advised to stay indoors.

The measure is being seen as a sign that there is little chance the crisis at the power plant will ease anytime soon.

(By comparison, the U.S. has recommended that its nationals stay at least 80 kilometers away from the plant.)

source: Prior to this, people in these areas had been advised to stay indoors.

The measure is being seen as a sign that there is little chance the crisis at the power plant will ease anytime soon.

(By comparison, the U.S. has recommended that its nationals stay at least 80 kilometers away from the plant.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

source: http://tinyurl.com/4rt9twq

Isn&#039;t Tokyo about 400 km away?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry, Philly, this just in:  </p>
<blockquote><p>The Japanese government is urging residents who live between 20 and 30 kilometers from crippled Fukushima nuclear plant to &#8220;voluntarily evacuate&#8221; the region, citing the difficulties of daily life there and the possibility of more radiation leaks.</p>
<p>Prior to this, people in these areas had been advised to stay indoors.</p>
<p>The measure is being seen as a sign that there is little chance the crisis at the power plant will ease anytime soon.</p>
<p>(By comparison, the U.S. has recommended that its nationals stay at least 80 kilometers away from the plant.)</p>
<p>source: Prior to this, people in these areas had been advised to stay indoors.</p>
<p>The measure is being seen as a sign that there is little chance the crisis at the power plant will ease anytime soon.</p>
<p>(By comparison, the U.S. has recommended that its nationals stay at least 80 kilometers away from the plant.)</p></blockquote>
<p>source: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4rt9twq" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/4rt9twq</a></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t Tokyo about 400 km away?</p>
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		By: Giliell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Giliell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Seriously people, having to be a bit more careful about your energy use is not the end of the fucking world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;d argue that you don&#039;t even have to relinquish much, but just take a little care. It might be a bit more work NOT to use the f..ing dryer and hang the laundry out to dry. It definetly is not even more work to use a broom instead of a vacuum-cleaner (an awful lot of people use a hoover for floors that are not carpets).

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Seriously people, having to be a bit more careful about your energy use is not the end of the fucking world.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d argue that you don&#8217;t even have to relinquish much, but just take a little care. It might be a bit more work NOT to use the f..ing dryer and hang the laundry out to dry. It definetly is not even more work to use a broom instead of a vacuum-cleaner (an awful lot of people use a hoover for floors that are not carpets).</p>
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		By: phillydoug		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Henry: &quot;I think a US agency or organization has suggested the evacuation go out to about double what the Japanese set it to.&quot;
Thanks for the heads up. Can&#039;t say as I&#039;m surprised.

One more prediction-- the zone will never be expanded to Tokyo, even if the levels of radiation made it necessary--- that&#039;s just too much for any government to contemplate.

Expect endless reassurances that living in Tokyo is, and will forever be, safe.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry: &#8220;I think a US agency or organization has suggested the evacuation go out to about double what the Japanese set it to.&#8221;<br />
Thanks for the heads up. Can&#8217;t say as I&#8217;m surprised.</p>
<p>One more prediction&#8211; the zone will never be expanded to Tokyo, even if the levels of radiation made it necessary&#8212; that&#8217;s just too much for any government to contemplate.</p>
<p>Expect endless reassurances that living in Tokyo is, and will forever be, safe.</p>
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