That any idiot with access to a website can spread disinformation and outright lies and people like you lap it up. I am sure it feeds some psychological deficit in you –

Its a pity that you don’t have the education required to understand the biology, physics, chemistry and statistics required to make an argument, rather using the same old tired regurgitated snippets gleaned from all the other crank websites out there.

Seriously do you actually understand any of the terms you are using?? The structure of your argument would suggest not – did you go to school at all?

Perhaps you could cite some real evidence for the claims you make and explain to those of us who actually use science for a living where we are going wrong.

We can almost document which websites the ant-ivax losers frequent from the copy and paste quotes.

So so sad.

av @ 20:

did you know today right now you can buy off the shelf medications that can cuase death, rectal bleeding,ulcers,rash, respirtory distress etc etc etc.

The pity for you is there isn’t one for intelligence.

Face it. You know you aren’t too bright. We’ve all figured out that you aren’t too bright. Now you’ve provided the world with all the evidence they need that you aren’t too bright. But keep digging that hole, sport! In difficult times, comic relief is a necessity.

It’s just too bad you don’t know you are the joke.

did you know today right now you can buy off the shelf medications that can cuase death, rectal bleeding,ulcers,rash, respirtory distress etc etc etc.

I don’t even have to make it up becuase its all true.

but you trust the same folks with your immune system and the future of the microbiology of our planet?

I geuss if you tell enough lies they become truth. Maybe some of the anti vacciners will take you more seriously when actually provide real studys with real data with real control groups and real control group sizes with real exsposure intances.

the narrow data sets you belive are proof now would not meet true scientific scrunity. It doesn’t matter how many holes are proven to be in your thoerys about disease prevention, you’ll continue to belive becuase Faith is important for you.

I think the most of the people here are more in touch with the real world than you are anti vaccine.

Really your grannies folk medicine is presented as empirical evidence??

All you have presented are

Anecdotes
Cherry picked or misrepresented data to support your distorted view of the world.
A sociopathic view of your fellow humans bordering on psychopathy.

Misunderstanding of basic immunology and pharmacology that a 12 year old could get right.

Is that the best you can do???

You have not made one valid or credible point in the discussion – and I have watched the language and ideas get more aggressive and delusional with each post –

I watched you get shut down on the other blogs you befoul – here’s hoping.

Millions of people die everyday from old age, should we vaccinate for old age ? There is a finite amount of resources and a expenonetial number of people. Should we kill them off to preserve resources or face extinction ?

At what point does your overtly emotional driven decision process give way to what is obviously apprent to anyone looking.

Grow up.

Let look at this from 1 of two ways.

Firstly let me state that there is a thing called acceptable loss’s. the population is not and has not headed in a negative direction since the invention of antibiotics ” which the liberal use of is now cuasing problems in term of microbiology”

If I am correct and we mitgate natural selection through immunization. My hypothesis states that we create a world of virally sucepstiable people. We are also going drive virus mutation. What ineviatbly happens is that a super bug, etremly hard to vaccinate for “if not impossiable comes along. some that can be transmitted by aerosol, blood,urine, etc. it wipes out all but maybe the 10-20% of the population that is not immunized and has a natural resistance.

If I am wrong. a couple of million people a year die.A amount we can easily spare.

Which is the greater evil ?

But we will soon face a problem wherby removing natural selection from the species survival model will squarely bite us in the ass.

So now, rather than saying measles doesn’t cause death or sterility (or disability that reduces the likelihood of reproduction in some other way), you’re advocating for measles on the basis that it does?

BTW I would like to see those numbers with the amount of fever reducers and other medical suppresants injected. Becuase blindess/deafness etc where all excedingly rare complications from measales prior to the day and age of modern medicine.

When I had measales my grand mother who was 60 at the time grabbed my from my parents home, took me to her house and gave me water and cool baths.

the problem with suppresants is a well known factor in complications with measales.

You people don’t get it though. We are messing with the microbiology of our ecosystem in ways we don’t truely understand and the side effects long term may massively outwiegh the benefits.

If you want to advocate for vaccines then define the hereditary traits etc that exist in the population for those who get a high rate of measales complications and innoculate only that group.

But we will soon face a problem wherby removing natural selection from the species survival model will squarely bite us in the ass.