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		By: Katsuhiko Nishio		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/03/12/fukushima-nuclear-plant-explod/#comment-500421</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Katsuhiko Nishio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 20:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi all, 

PLS watch following news video.

&quot;Bleak condition of Fukushima workers blocks to solve the nuclear accident&quot; 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHLdOsGq1G8

After your watching, PLS expand this news to all over the world.  Because Japanese government  and TEPCO DO NOT  understand that improvement of worker&#039;s environment is necessary . Japanese gov ,TEPCO and even Japanese  need some pressure from foreign countries.

Regards]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, </p>
<p>PLS watch following news video.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bleak condition of Fukushima workers blocks to solve the nuclear accident&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHLdOsGq1G8" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHLdOsGq1G8</a></p>
<p>After your watching, PLS expand this news to all over the world.  Because Japanese government  and TEPCO DO NOT  understand that improvement of worker&#8217;s environment is necessary . Japanese gov ,TEPCO and even Japanese  need some pressure from foreign countries.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		By: Ana		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/03/12/fukushima-nuclear-plant-explod/#comment-500420</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[daedalus2u - here is some recent info on the spent fuel that is exposed and sitting in low-levels of boiling water:

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78352.html

Radiation levels are too high for workers to safely add water.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>daedalus2u &#8211; here is some recent info on the spent fuel that is exposed and sitting in low-levels of boiling water:</p>
<p><a href="http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78352.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78352.html</a></p>
<p>Radiation levels are too high for workers to safely add water.</p>
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		By: lunchstealer		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/03/12/fukushima-nuclear-plant-explod/#comment-500419</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lunchstealer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg makes a good point about the trade-offs for nuke plants.  Ultimately, for developing countries with poor security standards, non-refinability of by-products is a serious goal.  But for countries who are already in the nuclear club and for whom security is a relatively achievable goal, that seems like it should be a lesser consideration.

As for whether the video is an explosion, it&#039;s clear at the outset that for the simplest definition of explosion, this is the case.  The question is really what kind of explosion was it, and what danger does/did it pose?  Could very well have been a steam explosion, and what danger that poses depends on what the source of the steam was.  There was some talk of it being a hydrogen explosion (plain old chemical hydrogen, not a tritium fusion explosion, obviously).  

Clearly there is no danger of a nuclear explosion at the plant.  But steam/mechanical explosions of the Chernobyl type within the reactor vessel itself are scary scary stuff.  Steam explosions elsewhere may be equally dangerous if the water is contaminated with lots of reactive byproducts.  Cesium is not your friend.  And there are some isotopes of iodine that you do NOT want in your salt.

This whole time since the first reports of reactor problems started turning up Friday or Saturday, I&#039;ve had Kurosawa&#039;s creepy (and wildly unscientific) sequence from the end of &quot;Dreams&quot; going through my head.

Clearly, the threat of tsunamis to the integrity of the plant was underestimated.  Does the US have any nuke plants on vulnerable coastline locations?  The only ones I know are much further inland, so they&#039;d only need to be secured against flash flooding (especially from potential dam failures), high winds (either from hurricanes or tornadoes), and from earthquakes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg makes a good point about the trade-offs for nuke plants.  Ultimately, for developing countries with poor security standards, non-refinability of by-products is a serious goal.  But for countries who are already in the nuclear club and for whom security is a relatively achievable goal, that seems like it should be a lesser consideration.</p>
<p>As for whether the video is an explosion, it&#8217;s clear at the outset that for the simplest definition of explosion, this is the case.  The question is really what kind of explosion was it, and what danger does/did it pose?  Could very well have been a steam explosion, and what danger that poses depends on what the source of the steam was.  There was some talk of it being a hydrogen explosion (plain old chemical hydrogen, not a tritium fusion explosion, obviously).  </p>
<p>Clearly there is no danger of a nuclear explosion at the plant.  But steam/mechanical explosions of the Chernobyl type within the reactor vessel itself are scary scary stuff.  Steam explosions elsewhere may be equally dangerous if the water is contaminated with lots of reactive byproducts.  Cesium is not your friend.  And there are some isotopes of iodine that you do NOT want in your salt.</p>
<p>This whole time since the first reports of reactor problems started turning up Friday or Saturday, I&#8217;ve had Kurosawa&#8217;s creepy (and wildly unscientific) sequence from the end of &#8220;Dreams&#8221; going through my head.</p>
<p>Clearly, the threat of tsunamis to the integrity of the plant was underestimated.  Does the US have any nuke plants on vulnerable coastline locations?  The only ones I know are much further inland, so they&#8217;d only need to be secured against flash flooding (especially from potential dam failures), high winds (either from hurricanes or tornadoes), and from earthquakes.</p>
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		By: TooCheaptoMeter		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/03/12/fukushima-nuclear-plant-explod/#comment-500418</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looks like it is getting worse--9 reactors in crisis, Units 1, 2, 3 boiling and spitting, in meltdown. Unit 2 is melting down, and, as Robert Alvarez predicted in his CommonDreams.org essay posted Sunday, the real threat all along is the decades of stored fuel rods--just like here. Drying off, catching fire--5o times the reactor&#039;s radiation now open to the winds. The gamma radiation makes the whole work site lethal, so only 50 workers (heroic, and with low life expectancy) remain.

Should the US military order our personnel to expose themselves to early death spraying water on Japan&#039;s reactors and burning fuel storage tanks (open and boiling) which will relight every time the water goes down?

Maybe the effort should be getting our fuel casks in dry vaults that don&#039;t need water for centuries. Bomb and earthquake proofing decades of spent fuel piled around every single nuclear plant in the country could be a better stimulus project than new plants.

If Pawlenty and others call the deficit immoral--presumably for it&#039;s effect on future generations--how are they so pro-nuclear? Bought off by corporate interests?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like it is getting worse&#8211;9 reactors in crisis, Units 1, 2, 3 boiling and spitting, in meltdown. Unit 2 is melting down, and, as Robert Alvarez predicted in his CommonDreams.org essay posted Sunday, the real threat all along is the decades of stored fuel rods&#8211;just like here. Drying off, catching fire&#8211;5o times the reactor&#8217;s radiation now open to the winds. The gamma radiation makes the whole work site lethal, so only 50 workers (heroic, and with low life expectancy) remain.</p>
<p>Should the US military order our personnel to expose themselves to early death spraying water on Japan&#8217;s reactors and burning fuel storage tanks (open and boiling) which will relight every time the water goes down?</p>
<p>Maybe the effort should be getting our fuel casks in dry vaults that don&#8217;t need water for centuries. Bomb and earthquake proofing decades of spent fuel piled around every single nuclear plant in the country could be a better stimulus project than new plants.</p>
<p>If Pawlenty and others call the deficit immoral&#8211;presumably for it&#8217;s effect on future generations&#8211;how are they so pro-nuclear? Bought off by corporate interests?</p>
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		By: daedalus2u		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been trying to get good information on the status of the spent fuel cooling pool and haven&#039;t seen any.  As long as they can keep putting water in them, there isn&#039;t a risk of them overheating.  

If the water is boiling off, the increase in radation levels could be due to the loss of the depth of water shielding on top of the spent fuel and not due to leaking radioactivity.  Refilling the pool will make that source of radiation stop.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been trying to get good information on the status of the spent fuel cooling pool and haven&#8217;t seen any.  As long as they can keep putting water in them, there isn&#8217;t a risk of them overheating.  </p>
<p>If the water is boiling off, the increase in radation levels could be due to the loss of the depth of water shielding on top of the spent fuel and not due to leaking radioactivity.  Refilling the pool will make that source of radiation stop.  </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Continuation of summary of news reports, etc: http://tinyurl.com/48q7s6t]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuation of summary of news reports, etc: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/48q7s6t" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/48q7s6t</a></p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ongoing is an understatement.  This entire conversation has been premature.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ongoing is an understatement.  This entire conversation has been premature.  </p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/03/12/fukushima-nuclear-plant-explod/#comment-500414</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg, you say &quot;exactly&quot; like hazard to other populations has been part of the conversation this whole time, but you never gave any indication that it has.  When it first came up in your response to Daedelus, you said &quot;counting the dead from a 9.0 quake and mega tsunami as the point of comparison for safety for ANY engineering endeavor is silly.&quot;  Since then, I think it&#039;s been clear in the discussion of risk that we&#039;re talking about the people who have already been affected by the quake and tsunami.

If radiation exposure at hazardous levels becomes more than a local problem (which likely includes a HUGE local problem), then the risk analysis was either seriously flawed or the accepted level of risk was too high (unless this earthquake really was an exceedingly rare event, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s likely).  I haven&#039;t heard that that&#039;s the case.  But it is still ongoing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, you say &#8220;exactly&#8221; like hazard to other populations has been part of the conversation this whole time, but you never gave any indication that it has.  When it first came up in your response to Daedelus, you said &#8220;counting the dead from a 9.0 quake and mega tsunami as the point of comparison for safety for ANY engineering endeavor is silly.&#8221;  Since then, I think it&#8217;s been clear in the discussion of risk that we&#8217;re talking about the people who have already been affected by the quake and tsunami.</p>
<p>If radiation exposure at hazardous levels becomes more than a local problem (which likely includes a HUGE local problem), then the risk analysis was either seriously flawed or the accepted level of risk was too high (unless this earthquake really was an exceedingly rare event, but I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s likely).  I haven&#8217;t heard that that&#8217;s the case.  But it is still ongoing.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m fairly unhappy about the apparent fact that a spent fuel pond got out of control and exploded/burned. That&#039;s a little like losing a patient on the operating table during a very tricky operation because the ceiling light fell on them.  It&#039;d be funny.  Except it&#039;s really, really not.  

I apologize to Ana and everyone else for not being engaged in over he last several hours.  Our household is in a state of disruption (nothing bad, just disruptive) and I was teaching last night. Aside from a brief check of the blog and Facebook during class last night, this is my first moment on the Intertubes since mid PM yesterday. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fairly unhappy about the apparent fact that a spent fuel pond got out of control and exploded/burned. That&#8217;s a little like losing a patient on the operating table during a very tricky operation because the ceiling light fell on them.  It&#8217;d be funny.  Except it&#8217;s really, really not.  </p>
<p>I apologize to Ana and everyone else for not being engaged in over he last several hours.  Our household is in a state of disruption (nothing bad, just disruptive) and I was teaching last night. Aside from a brief check of the blog and Facebook during class last night, this is my first moment on the Intertubes since mid PM yesterday. </p>
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		By: Ana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[~900 millisieverts/hr observed around reactor no. 2 after the explosion -NHK evening broadcast]]></description>
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