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	Comments on: The Nation&#8217;s Science Report Card is out. Everything is going fine.	</title>
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		By: Chris B		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 19:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I guess I am showing my ignorance here, but I just looked at the report data and I am kinda confused.  How can the average score for the nation as a whole be 149 at both grades 4 and 8?  There are only a couple of scores represented at 149/150 in both datasets, but plenty more down in the 111-121 range - how does that work out to an average of 149?

The only answer I can come up with (in my ignorance, please let me know if I missed something in the report that can explain this) is that there are many other school districts not represented in this dataset (well, of course there must be) - but if that is the case, then to get an average national score of 149 when the data includes plenty of scores in the 110-130 range, then by inference that must mean there are scores in the 160-170 range.  And if that is the case, then why are those data not being trumpeted along with Austin, Charlotte, et al?

Anyone help? Bueller? Bueller?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I guess I am showing my ignorance here, but I just looked at the report data and I am kinda confused.  How can the average score for the nation as a whole be 149 at both grades 4 and 8?  There are only a couple of scores represented at 149/150 in both datasets, but plenty more down in the 111-121 range &#8211; how does that work out to an average of 149?</p>
<p>The only answer I can come up with (in my ignorance, please let me know if I missed something in the report that can explain this) is that there are many other school districts not represented in this dataset (well, of course there must be) &#8211; but if that is the case, then to get an average national score of 149 when the data includes plenty of scores in the 110-130 range, then by inference that must mean there are scores in the 160-170 range.  And if that is the case, then why are those data not being trumpeted along with Austin, Charlotte, et al?</p>
<p>Anyone help? Bueller? Bueller?</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jonathan,

Where in the world do you get &quot;We can&#039;t trust the public education system.&quot; from?

It seems that the public education system does just as well educating your kids as you do raising them. Most of the children I&#039;ve taught (and I work in a district where over 90% of the students at the high school get free/reduced lunches) that defy the poverty/achievement correlation have families that put them first.

Read with your kid, do homework with them, and they&#039;ll usually be fine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>Where in the world do you get &#8220;We can&#8217;t trust the public education system.&#8221; from?</p>
<p>It seems that the public education system does just as well educating your kids as you do raising them. Most of the children I&#8217;ve taught (and I work in a district where over 90% of the students at the high school get free/reduced lunches) that defy the poverty/achievement correlation have families that put them first.</p>
<p>Read with your kid, do homework with them, and they&#8217;ll usually be fine.</p>
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		By: Jonathan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve just opened up a whole new rabbit&#039;s hole for me to explore! It just devastates me that this is happening. I think it&#039;s clear that we cannot rely on the public school system for much these days.

Something that kind of sparks some hope is that mobile devices/computers are getting cheaper and more readily available even for lower income people. If kids could find a way to plug into those sources they could get on the web and actually learn something useful. Self-study educational materials online would be great, no?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve just opened up a whole new rabbit&#8217;s hole for me to explore! It just devastates me that this is happening. I think it&#8217;s clear that we cannot rely on the public school system for much these days.</p>
<p>Something that kind of sparks some hope is that mobile devices/computers are getting cheaper and more readily available even for lower income people. If kids could find a way to plug into those sources they could get on the web and actually learn something useful. Self-study educational materials online would be great, no?</p>
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		By: harold		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Jared - 

It certainly seems that you are a coy little racist.

However, in your zeal to reach and hold racist conclusions, you show yourself incapable of understanding the data or making logical replies.  

Thus, you are either stupid, dishonest, or both. Most likely both.

Stupid, dishonest and a bigot is no way to go through life, son.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jared &#8211; </p>
<p>It certainly seems that you are a coy little racist.</p>
<p>However, in your zeal to reach and hold racist conclusions, you show yourself incapable of understanding the data or making logical replies.  </p>
<p>Thus, you are either stupid, dishonest, or both. Most likely both.</p>
<p>Stupid, dishonest and a bigot is no way to go through life, son.</p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jared, yes, race is a factor--if by &quot;race&quot; you mean differential rates of poverty, differences in interaction with authority (school districts count) based on historical differences in treatment by authories, differences in the degree to which students are subject to direct and indirect racism, differences in parental education, differential rates of being targeted by law enforcement that lead to differences in familial stability, etc. Or did you have something else in mind?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared, yes, race is a factor&#8211;if by &#8220;race&#8221; you mean differential rates of poverty, differences in interaction with authority (school districts count) based on historical differences in treatment by authories, differences in the degree to which students are subject to direct and indirect racism, differences in parental education, differential rates of being targeted by law enforcement that lead to differences in familial stability, etc. Or did you have something else in mind?</p>
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		By: Mike from Ottawa		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 16:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course throwing money at a problem works.  If the problem is that not enough criminals are getting locked up, throwing money at police and jails works wonders!  Or if the problem is foreigners getting stroppy, throwing money at the military always works.  If the problem is the financial system tanks because the financiers fouled up, then throwing money at them in the form of tax cuts works.  The only time throwing money at a problem doensn&#039;t work is when the problem is that some people don&#039;t have enough money, i.e. are poor.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course throwing money at a problem works.  If the problem is that not enough criminals are getting locked up, throwing money at police and jails works wonders!  Or if the problem is foreigners getting stroppy, throwing money at the military always works.  If the problem is the financial system tanks because the financiers fouled up, then throwing money at them in the form of tax cuts works.  The only time throwing money at a problem doensn&#8217;t work is when the problem is that some people don&#8217;t have enough money, i.e. are poor.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[kerrie, might I suggest Diane Ravitch&#039;s article on &quot;Waiting for Superman&quot;?
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/nov/11/myth-charter-schools/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kerrie, might I suggest Diane Ravitch&#8217;s article on &#8220;Waiting for Superman&#8221;?<br />
<a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/nov/11/myth-charter-schools/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/nov/11/myth-charter-schools/</a></p>
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		By: kerrie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[might I suggest &quot;Waiting for Superman&quot; for those who are interested in this topic?  waitingforsuperman.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>might I suggest &#8220;Waiting for Superman&#8221; for those who are interested in this topic?  waitingforsuperman.com</p>
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		By: PoxyHowzes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A factor not explored here was brought home to me a couple of years ago in Baltimore City, one of the studied sites.  

I was recruited to do a mindless exercise required by the School Board that involved transferring student data from one paper form (the &quot;OLD&quot;) to to another paper form (the &quot;NEW&quot;).  This exercise resulted in NO increase in the amount of data, NO evident increase in the data&#039;s usability (e.g., no conversion to optical or other machine-readable form.)  It also involved no obvious data-checking (how could it?) such that I had amenuensic control over grades, attendance records, and the like for any number of young folks.  I was never vetted for this job in any way!

What became obvious to me over the course of several days of dealing with dozens of student records was that attendance is a major negative factor in urban schools.  Time and again I dealt with a record that showed the student with good attendance and good grades in, say, first through third grade, then a steadily deteriorating attendance record in say, grades 4, 5, and 6.  And I mean SERIOUS attendance problems:  a (non-contiguous) month or more missed from school in the 9-month school year!

I concluded that old-fashioned Truant Officers might do more for test performance than anything else I&#039;ve heard talked about on this thread or elsewhere.

My next hoo-rah with the Baltimore City Schools came when the School Board submitted an internally inconsistent, un-interpretable budget, proving that even the Governor of Maryland and the Mayor of Baltimore couldn&#039;t find fifteen citizens who had enough arithmetic and reading-comprehension skills to run their family finances, much less the School Boards&#039;  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A factor not explored here was brought home to me a couple of years ago in Baltimore City, one of the studied sites.  </p>
<p>I was recruited to do a mindless exercise required by the School Board that involved transferring student data from one paper form (the &#8220;OLD&#8221;) to to another paper form (the &#8220;NEW&#8221;).  This exercise resulted in NO increase in the amount of data, NO evident increase in the data&#8217;s usability (e.g., no conversion to optical or other machine-readable form.)  It also involved no obvious data-checking (how could it?) such that I had amenuensic control over grades, attendance records, and the like for any number of young folks.  I was never vetted for this job in any way!</p>
<p>What became obvious to me over the course of several days of dealing with dozens of student records was that attendance is a major negative factor in urban schools.  Time and again I dealt with a record that showed the student with good attendance and good grades in, say, first through third grade, then a steadily deteriorating attendance record in say, grades 4, 5, and 6.  And I mean SERIOUS attendance problems:  a (non-contiguous) month or more missed from school in the 9-month school year!</p>
<p>I concluded that old-fashioned Truant Officers might do more for test performance than anything else I&#8217;ve heard talked about on this thread or elsewhere.</p>
<p>My next hoo-rah with the Baltimore City Schools came when the School Board submitted an internally inconsistent, un-interpretable budget, proving that even the Governor of Maryland and the Mayor of Baltimore couldn&#8217;t find fifteen citizens who had enough arithmetic and reading-comprehension skills to run their family finances, much less the School Boards&#8217;  </p>
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		By: TracyF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I taught high school chemistry for 2 years.  When I first started I immediately found that the students were not prepared to work and would give any excuse not to study and learn.  So I adopted a tough love attitude in which the students had to work hard to pass my class.  There were a few students that rebelled all year long, failed my class, and failed the state exam.  99% of my students passed my class, passed their state science TAKS test, and learned how to study.  At the beginning of the year, only about 40% of my students were able to pass the last years science exam.  I still get emails from my students thanking me for teaching them how to work.  

What appalled me the most during this, was that the parents responses were not supportive to nightly reading assignments and homework, weekly quizzes, bi-weekly major exams, and a project every six weeks.  I&#039;d say that at least half of the parents I spoke to stated that I was working their child too hard.  I believe that the parenting population in the US has turned into too many parents wanting to be their child&#039;s friend and not their parent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I taught high school chemistry for 2 years.  When I first started I immediately found that the students were not prepared to work and would give any excuse not to study and learn.  So I adopted a tough love attitude in which the students had to work hard to pass my class.  There were a few students that rebelled all year long, failed my class, and failed the state exam.  99% of my students passed my class, passed their state science TAKS test, and learned how to study.  At the beginning of the year, only about 40% of my students were able to pass the last years science exam.  I still get emails from my students thanking me for teaching them how to work.  </p>
<p>What appalled me the most during this, was that the parents responses were not supportive to nightly reading assignments and homework, weekly quizzes, bi-weekly major exams, and a project every six weeks.  I&#8217;d say that at least half of the parents I spoke to stated that I was working their child too hard.  I believe that the parenting population in the US has turned into too many parents wanting to be their child&#8217;s friend and not their parent.</p>
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