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		By: BestMichael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BestMichael]]></dc:creator>
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		By: Josh12310		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh12310]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also, I would like to add in that the Libians should and ought to have the freedom of speech like we as Americans do. I understand from research that their freedoms are limited, but I think it is unquestionable that all beings should have freedom. It&#039;s essential to a world where opinions and ideas matter. In forthcoming, I would like to say that if people in countries like Libya or Egypt or Tunisia are being held accountable under a society ruled by oppression, then they must get their freedom back. Even if it means fighting their own government, then so be it. To finish off, some people may say or think that the world is coming to an end, but I say it isn&#039;t. I say the end of freedom as we know it, is dispersing through nations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I would like to add in that the Libians should and ought to have the freedom of speech like we as Americans do. I understand from research that their freedoms are limited, but I think it is unquestionable that all beings should have freedom. It&#8217;s essential to a world where opinions and ideas matter. In forthcoming, I would like to say that if people in countries like Libya or Egypt or Tunisia are being held accountable under a society ruled by oppression, then they must get their freedom back. Even if it means fighting their own government, then so be it. To finish off, some people may say or think that the world is coming to an end, but I say it isn&#8217;t. I say the end of freedom as we know it, is dispersing through nations.</p>
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		By: Josh12310		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh12310]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In my opinion, I believe that Gaddafi should stop ruling Libya like a dictatorship. What he&#039;s doing to poor, inncoent civilians is awful. When he&#039;s heard enough protesting he gives the order to fire and his minions, or whatever you&#039;d like to call them, through bombs out into the crowds. What he&#039;s doing in unjust. He and his men should be stopped before anymore innocent people have to die.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, I believe that Gaddafi should stop ruling Libya like a dictatorship. What he&#8217;s doing to poor, inncoent civilians is awful. When he&#8217;s heard enough protesting he gives the order to fire and his minions, or whatever you&#8217;d like to call them, through bombs out into the crowds. What he&#8217;s doing in unjust. He and his men should be stopped before anymore innocent people have to die.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[johannes: Don&#039;t get me wrong.  No one denies that the Colonel is a nutbag and that the regime is repressive.  My point is simple yet rarely understood: Libya has a very different policy as to how to handle oil and the oil money than many other countries, and that is a) probably better in many ways b) not what Big Oil wants and c) therefore a major item that anything will be used to distract from. People can not get past Gadaffi hating and Libya distrusting because they are not allowed to think past those items by the rhetoric. 

It will be very interesting to see what happens when the Libyan revolution, now underway, is over. I wonder if Big Oil has a plan? Well, of course, they do.  I guess i wonder how many months it will take before they run the place. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johannes: Don&#8217;t get me wrong.  No one denies that the Colonel is a nutbag and that the regime is repressive.  My point is simple yet rarely understood: Libya has a very different policy as to how to handle oil and the oil money than many other countries, and that is a) probably better in many ways b) not what Big Oil wants and c) therefore a major item that anything will be used to distract from. People can not get past Gadaffi hating and Libya distrusting because they are not allowed to think past those items by the rhetoric. </p>
<p>It will be very interesting to see what happens when the Libyan revolution, now underway, is over. I wonder if Big Oil has a plan? Well, of course, they do.  I guess i wonder how many months it will take before they run the place. </p>
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		By: johannes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[johannes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Clam, the &quot;tiny population&quot; of Libya, (larger than seven other &quot;Arab/mideast&quot; nations) has in fact seen more of the oil money measure pretty much in any terms than the people of any other African oil producing country, measured any way you&#039;d like to measure it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Libya is more similar to a Gulf emirate than to Nigeria or Angola, that much is true, but that&#039;s not because the current (?) regime is so competent or benevolent. It simply reflects the fact that Libya is a desert country with a largely Arabic population, relying on an oil-rent as the base of its economy. Hence, in ecolgy. economy, demography and ethnic set up, it&#039;s more similar to Kuweit than to Angola.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But the reason you are programmed to hate Libya and fear Gaddafi&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, my dislike for Gaddafi, his regime, its friends like Genoud, Caignet, Verges, Ziegler and Garaudy, and all forms of Strasserism, Marlenism or National Bolshevism comes not from big oil or the Reagan administration &quot;programming&quot; me, but from being an indiepop kid in skinhead-infested early nineties central Germany - and from colonel G&#039;s treatment of poor African refuges, which btw has the full approval of western governments and media.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Clam, the &#8220;tiny population&#8221; of Libya, (larger than seven other &#8220;Arab/mideast&#8221; nations) has in fact seen more of the oil money measure pretty much in any terms than the people of any other African oil producing country, measured any way you&#8217;d like to measure it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Libya is more similar to a Gulf emirate than to Nigeria or Angola, that much is true, but that&#8217;s not because the current (?) regime is so competent or benevolent. It simply reflects the fact that Libya is a desert country with a largely Arabic population, relying on an oil-rent as the base of its economy. Hence, in ecolgy. economy, demography and ethnic set up, it&#8217;s more similar to Kuweit than to Angola.</p>
<blockquote><p>But the reason you are programmed to hate Libya and fear Gaddafi</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, my dislike for Gaddafi, his regime, its friends like Genoud, Caignet, Verges, Ziegler and Garaudy, and all forms of Strasserism, Marlenism or National Bolshevism comes not from big oil or the Reagan administration &#8220;programming&#8221; me, but from being an indiepop kid in skinhead-infested early nineties central Germany &#8211; and from colonel G&#8217;s treatment of poor African refuges, which btw has the full approval of western governments and media.</p>
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		By: gina rex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gina rex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The recent rebellions in the so-called &quot;Arab World&quot; are consistent with Top Male government, which despite western claims of democracy, dominates the globe: this is all about Top Males knocking each other off in the male quest for dominance. The U.S. doesn&#039;t want democracy to spread: as the world&#039;s Top Top males, we want subordinate dictators whom we can pay off, bribe, threaten, supply with &quot;goodies&quot; - weapons. All this arguing over whether a Top Male is a good-bad guy, or a bad-bad guy is ridiculous! It&#039;s all framed on his &quot;obedience&quot; to the U.S., and it&#039;s a thumbs up, thumbs down verdict no different than in the arena&#039;s of Ancient Rome. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recent rebellions in the so-called &#8220;Arab World&#8221; are consistent with Top Male government, which despite western claims of democracy, dominates the globe: this is all about Top Males knocking each other off in the male quest for dominance. The U.S. doesn&#8217;t want democracy to spread: as the world&#8217;s Top Top males, we want subordinate dictators whom we can pay off, bribe, threaten, supply with &#8220;goodies&#8221; &#8211; weapons. All this arguing over whether a Top Male is a good-bad guy, or a bad-bad guy is ridiculous! It&#8217;s all framed on his &#8220;obedience&#8221; to the U.S., and it&#8217;s a thumbs up, thumbs down verdict no different than in the arena&#8217;s of Ancient Rome. </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lassi: Not a coincidence at all.  They were there to rescue the crowned prince or whoever it was.

Yes, I&#039;m aware of so called &quot;tribal issues&quot; which in other regions (outside of Africa) tend to be called by different names.  I still have not seen specific information linking anything like this to the specific factionalization reported in the news over the last week, but I may have missed it.

Clam, the &quot;tiny population&quot; of Libya, (larger than seven other &quot;Arab/mideast&quot; nations) has in fact seen more of the oil money measure pretty much in any terms than the people of any other African oil producing country, measured any way you&#039;d like to measure it. Having said that, of course the Revolutionary regime has gotten quit rich off it.  But the reason you are programmed to hate Libya and fear Gaddafi is because the oil companies have received so little from exploitation in this area and the policy of the oil companies and Western nations is to stand by until they can take over again.  So keep an eye out for that happening. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lassi: Not a coincidence at all.  They were there to rescue the crowned prince or whoever it was.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m aware of so called &#8220;tribal issues&#8221; which in other regions (outside of Africa) tend to be called by different names.  I still have not seen specific information linking anything like this to the specific factionalization reported in the news over the last week, but I may have missed it.</p>
<p>Clam, the &#8220;tiny population&#8221; of Libya, (larger than seven other &#8220;Arab/mideast&#8221; nations) has in fact seen more of the oil money measure pretty much in any terms than the people of any other African oil producing country, measured any way you&#8217;d like to measure it. Having said that, of course the Revolutionary regime has gotten quit rich off it.  But the reason you are programmed to hate Libya and fear Gaddafi is because the oil companies have received so little from exploitation in this area and the policy of the oil companies and Western nations is to stand by until they can take over again.  So keep an eye out for that happening. </p>
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		By: Captain Obvious		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Captain Obvious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lassi - not sure what else has been going on but Tea Party High Priest Glenn Beck hjas been pumping out the crazy at an accelerating rate over the revolutions. The assorted revolutions get linked together with random things like the UK student protests last year about fees going up etc, which provide evidence of the creation of a Caliphate that stretches from China to the atlantic, while plucky ol&#039; USA is undermined from within by islamo-communist fifth columnists. 

Stockpiling food and buying gold was a recommendation in one segment I was subjected to. :&#124;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lassi &#8211; not sure what else has been going on but Tea Party High Priest Glenn Beck hjas been pumping out the crazy at an accelerating rate over the revolutions. The assorted revolutions get linked together with random things like the UK student protests last year about fees going up etc, which provide evidence of the creation of a Caliphate that stretches from China to the atlantic, while plucky ol&#8217; USA is undermined from within by islamo-communist fifth columnists. </p>
<p>Stockpiling food and buying gold was a recommendation in one segment I was subjected to. 😐</p>
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		By: Lassi HippelÃ¤inen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lassi HippelÃ¤inen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The east/west issue is normal in African politics. All country boundaries in Africa are artificial, made in the colonial age. They have no connection with cultural realities.

&quot;some CIA guys who were also hanging around there&quot;
What a coincidence...

Here in Europe we don&#039;t follow American politics that much, but the usual news channels I do follow haven&#039;t reported any response from the Tea Party. Are they being ignorant as normal, or don&#039;t they understand that what is now happening in the Arab world is against their interests?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The east/west issue is normal in African politics. All country boundaries in Africa are artificial, made in the colonial age. They have no connection with cultural realities.</p>
<p>&#8220;some CIA guys who were also hanging around there&#8221;<br />
What a coincidence&#8230;</p>
<p>Here in Europe we don&#8217;t follow American politics that much, but the usual news channels I do follow haven&#8217;t reported any response from the Tea Party. Are they being ignorant as normal, or don&#8217;t they understand that what is now happening in the Arab world is against their interests?</p>
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		By: Clam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 07:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The East/West split is largely tribal, the east being mainly Senussi, the people of the ex-king Idris who was ousted by Ghadafi. Idris was a nice old boy who ruled from the end of WW II in a very impoverished country. Then the Americans discovered oil (I remember their prospecting teams) and &lt;b&gt;bingo!&lt;/b&gt; the then Communist Ghadafi took over. 
Where the figures for wealth came from, I have no idea.  Libya has a tiny population and a vast revenue from oil, but not much of it has seeped down to the fedaheen. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The East/West split is largely tribal, the east being mainly Senussi, the people of the ex-king Idris who was ousted by Ghadafi. Idris was a nice old boy who ruled from the end of WW II in a very impoverished country. Then the Americans discovered oil (I remember their prospecting teams) and <b>bingo!</b> the then Communist Ghadafi took over.<br />
Where the figures for wealth came from, I have no idea.  Libya has a tiny population and a vast revenue from oil, but not much of it has seeped down to the fedaheen. </p>
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