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		By: cremation boxes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cremation boxes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 09:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s what happening to the people who are addicted in texting.. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what happening to the people who are addicted in texting.. </p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I want to see proof she was really texting.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to see proof she was really texting.  </p>
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		By: Gerry L		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gerry L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sounds like maybe the Mall and/or the security contractor has a case against the dimwits who &quot;stole&quot; the video and posted it on YouTube. 
  And if Ms Ima Victim was embarrassed by the incident, maybe she should NOT have identified herself on TV.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like maybe the Mall and/or the security contractor has a case against the dimwits who &#8220;stole&#8221; the video and posted it on YouTube.<br />
  And if Ms Ima Victim was embarrassed by the incident, maybe she should NOT have identified herself on TV.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg @4:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Well, she may not have a case for damages, but for being annoyed, probably.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When do we get to sue the entire right wing?

I suppose if her face had been clearly visible, it would be something - but without her coming forward and blubbering at the camera, I&#039;d&#039;ve never had a chance of recognizing her.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg @4:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Well, she may not have a case for damages, but for being annoyed, probably.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>When do we get to sue the entire right wing?</p>
<p>I suppose if her face had been clearly visible, it would be something &#8211; but without her coming forward and blubbering at the camera, I&#8217;d&#8217;ve never had a chance of recognizing her.</p>
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		By: Lorax		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 21:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think she probably has a case because I think no one thinks security camera footage counts as public domain or fair use. Ill bet a fair amount that there are specific rules regarding the use of the footage that the high school dumbasses turned mall security ignored.

However, she is completely disingenuous. She says (at least in one interview) how she was embarrassed and wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible (that would be my response as well) but then later gets all weepy that no one came to her aid. Who did she expect to come to her aid? She laments that mall security didn&#039;t show up before she left, but how did she expect them to find her? or why did she think they should show up? For all we know no one was watching the tape when it happened and security only found out about it after the fact, like from the store employee she told.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think she probably has a case because I think no one thinks security camera footage counts as public domain or fair use. Ill bet a fair amount that there are specific rules regarding the use of the footage that the high school dumbasses turned mall security ignored.</p>
<p>However, she is completely disingenuous. She says (at least in one interview) how she was embarrassed and wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible (that would be my response as well) but then later gets all weepy that no one came to her aid. Who did she expect to come to her aid? She laments that mall security didn&#8217;t show up before she left, but how did she expect them to find her? or why did she think they should show up? For all we know no one was watching the tape when it happened and security only found out about it after the fact, like from the store employee she told.</p>
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		By: Jim Thomerson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Thomerson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I fell into a Lilly pond at the Missouri Botanical Garden, back in the dark ages, and no one noticed.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fell into a Lilly pond at the Missouri Botanical Garden, back in the dark ages, and no one noticed.  </p>
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		By: Stephen Moore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 18:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The Mall is a public space, there is no expectation of privacy when walking in the mall.&lt;/i&gt; -daedalus2u

That rather depends on what one means by &#039;public space&#039;. Malls are privately owned, and one can be charged and convicted of trespass under certain circumstances, such as failing to leave after being requested to do so. So, it&#039;s not public in the sense that a street or a park might be considered public. A mall is perhaps better thought of as being private open space (as distinct from private closed space, like a dwelling) rather than public space.

Expectations of privacy are a matter of degree. The purpose of security cameras in a mall is primarily one of, well, security. Notices informing people entering the mall of such are usually placed somewhere in the mall. Such notices (Conditions of Entry) usually don&#039;t include a &#039;lampooning&#039; clause. In that regard, one does have a reasonable expectation of some level of privacy: one consents to one&#039;s image being recorded only for the purpose of maintaining effective security. Any use of security camera footage beyond that could be a violation of privacy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Mall is a public space, there is no expectation of privacy when walking in the mall.</i> -daedalus2u</p>
<p>That rather depends on what one means by &#8216;public space&#8217;. Malls are privately owned, and one can be charged and convicted of trespass under certain circumstances, such as failing to leave after being requested to do so. So, it&#8217;s not public in the sense that a street or a park might be considered public. A mall is perhaps better thought of as being private open space (as distinct from private closed space, like a dwelling) rather than public space.</p>
<p>Expectations of privacy are a matter of degree. The purpose of security cameras in a mall is primarily one of, well, security. Notices informing people entering the mall of such are usually placed somewhere in the mall. Such notices (Conditions of Entry) usually don&#8217;t include a &#8216;lampooning&#8217; clause. In that regard, one does have a reasonable expectation of some level of privacy: one consents to one&#8217;s image being recorded only for the purpose of maintaining effective security. Any use of security camera footage beyond that could be a violation of privacy.</p>
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		By: Curtis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Even she started to chuckle about it in the interview.  What next?  Will all those drivers filmed sliding down that icy hill and crashing into cars after the recent storm start suing?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even she started to chuckle about it in the interview.  What next?  Will all those drivers filmed sliding down that icy hill and crashing into cars after the recent storm start suing?</p>
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		By: CyberLizard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CyberLizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I proudly displayed the results of my own typing-while-walking experience: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyberlizard/3907487376/in/set-72157622205892541/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I proudly displayed the results of my own typing-while-walking experience: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyberlizard/3907487376/in/set-72157622205892541/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyberlizard/3907487376/in/set-72157622205892541/</a></p>
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		By: Karen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[She&#039;s a scam artist. Turns out Fountain Lady was charged in 2009 with stealing a co-worker&#039;s credit card and making thousands of dollars worth of purchases at stores like Target and Zales.

It&#039;s true.  I read it on the internet!


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s a scam artist. Turns out Fountain Lady was charged in 2009 with stealing a co-worker&#8217;s credit card and making thousands of dollars worth of purchases at stores like Target and Zales.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true.  I read it on the internet!</p>
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