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	Comments on: Teachers: You can be punished if you teach evolution	</title>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 13:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No, actually, the way it works is like this. If we have strong direct evidence of something, we say something like &quot;This happened or that happened, based on what we know.&quot;  But if you are generalizing or using an example informed by vast experience, but don&#039;t necessarily have evidence you want to mention when talking about  a specific case, you use a word like &quot;probably&quot; as on &quot;This or that probably happened.&quot;

That is what the word &quot;probably&quot; is for.  

Now you know!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, actually, the way it works is like this. If we have strong direct evidence of something, we say something like &#8220;This happened or that happened, based on what we know.&#8221;  But if you are generalizing or using an example informed by vast experience, but don&#8217;t necessarily have evidence you want to mention when talking about  a specific case, you use a word like &#8220;probably&#8221; as on &#8220;This or that probably happened.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is what the word &#8220;probably&#8221; is for.  </p>
<p>Now you know!</p>
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		By: XaurreauX		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[XaurreauX]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 12:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The girl was probably antagonistic and rude, and probably didn’t get it, and probably did what a lot of creationist kids did: Got all dumb when it came time for exams, and thus, got a poor grade.&quot;

I share your disgust and outrage, but unless you have direct evidence, &quot;probably&quot; doesn&#039;t count.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The girl was probably antagonistic and rude, and probably didn’t get it, and probably did what a lot of creationist kids did: Got all dumb when it came time for exams, and thus, got a poor grade.&#8221;</p>
<p>I share your disgust and outrage, but unless you have direct evidence, &#8220;probably&#8221; doesn&#8217;t count.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 18:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[redwolf2: good question.  It is complicated, and there are really no formal definitions to rely on.  Different people will give different answers to this question, mainly because it is not of central concern in the science of Evolutionary Biology.

Darwinism usually means one of two things.  1) An evolutionary perspective applied to understanding biological processes, generally employing modern versions of the various theories (about five) that Darwin came up with; or the scientific revolution that brought that way of thinking to a central place in biology; and 2) any process that involves selection, which is only one of Darwin&#039;s idea.  So, for example, some neurons, in developing brain tissue, grow and hook up but if they are not used, die off. That is sometimes called a &quot;Darwinian process.&quot;

Evolution is the large scale long term diversification of life, including adaptation, drift, other changes in gene pools, the rise of co-evolutionary systems, etc.  So in a way &quot;evolution&quot; is the thing we study and &quot;Darwinism&quot; is a key and central way of studying it.

A lot of people prefer &quot;evolutionary biology&quot; do &quot;Darwinism&quot; because although Darwin&#039;s theories as modernized are central to evolution he did not cover everything so the present day field is bigger.

Does that help?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>redwolf2: good question.  It is complicated, and there are really no formal definitions to rely on.  Different people will give different answers to this question, mainly because it is not of central concern in the science of Evolutionary Biology.</p>
<p>Darwinism usually means one of two things.  1) An evolutionary perspective applied to understanding biological processes, generally employing modern versions of the various theories (about five) that Darwin came up with; or the scientific revolution that brought that way of thinking to a central place in biology; and 2) any process that involves selection, which is only one of Darwin&#8217;s idea.  So, for example, some neurons, in developing brain tissue, grow and hook up but if they are not used, die off. That is sometimes called a &#8220;Darwinian process.&#8221;</p>
<p>Evolution is the large scale long term diversification of life, including adaptation, drift, other changes in gene pools, the rise of co-evolutionary systems, etc.  So in a way &#8220;evolution&#8221; is the thing we study and &#8220;Darwinism&#8221; is a key and central way of studying it.</p>
<p>A lot of people prefer &#8220;evolutionary biology&#8221; do &#8220;Darwinism&#8221; because although Darwin&#8217;s theories as modernized are central to evolution he did not cover everything so the present day field is bigger.</p>
<p>Does that help?</p>
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		By: redwolf2		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2015 18:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[what is the difference between evolution and darwinsim]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is the difference between evolution and darwinsim</p>
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		By: Homer Simpson (future Education Secretary)		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/01/03/teachers-you-can-be-punished-i/#comment-497297</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Homer Simpson (future Education Secretary)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 19:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can personally vouch that neither Marge nor I exist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can personally vouch that neither Marge nor I exist.</p>
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		By: Lynn Wilhelm		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn Wilhelm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 14:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Laurent
He just uses lots of sock puppets.  Evolution Denier, Rumpleforeskin, etc.  Can&#039;t even use a real pseudonym!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurent<br />
He just uses lots of sock puppets.  Evolution Denier, Rumpleforeskin, etc.  Can&#8217;t even use a real pseudonym!</p>
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		By: Laurent Weppe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurent Weppe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 04:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Arg, I&#039;ve been poed: I thougt that whoever Gay muslim evolutionary etc is was attempting some sort of sarcastic caricature of a fundie, turns out he is a fundie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arg, I&#8217;ve been poed: I thougt that whoever Gay muslim evolutionary etc is was attempting some sort of sarcastic caricature of a fundie, turns out he is a fundie.</p>
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		By: Laurent Weppe		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2011/01/03/teachers-you-can-be-punished-i/#comment-497294</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurent Weppe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 01:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@@Gay Muslim evolutionary biologist:

Hooooo, Now I understand: you thought that when I wrote &lt;i&gt;when their economy is broken and their military obsolete&lt;/i&gt; I was talking about the secularists and not the fundies. I realize now that my first post can be misleading, so to make things clear, I meant &lt;i&gt;When the fundies&#039; economy is broken and the fundies&#039; military obsolete&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@@Gay Muslim evolutionary biologist:</p>
<p>Hooooo, Now I understand: you thought that when I wrote <i>when their economy is broken and their military obsolete</i> I was talking about the secularists and not the fundies. I realize now that my first post can be misleading, so to make things clear, I meant <i>When the fundies&#8217; economy is broken and the fundies&#8217; military obsolete</i>.</p>
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		By: Laurent Weppe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laurent Weppe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 01:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Gay Muslim evolutionary biologist:

&lt;i&gt;Yes Laurent it would. That&#039;s the whole idea. Once and for all we would show you that capitalism and individual freedom and reward of success works over your idea of sicliast regimes running every aspect of someone&#039;s life and restricting success. Are you scared to try it and see who;s right?&lt;/i&gt;

Wait a minute: Why would I be afraid of the outcome? Did you somehow manage to misread my excessively obvious sarcasm and conclude that I was on the fundies&#039; side?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gay Muslim evolutionary biologist:</p>
<p><i>Yes Laurent it would. That&#8217;s the whole idea. Once and for all we would show you that capitalism and individual freedom and reward of success works over your idea of sicliast regimes running every aspect of someone&#8217;s life and restricting success. Are you scared to try it and see who;s right?</i></p>
<p>Wait a minute: Why would I be afraid of the outcome? Did you somehow manage to misread my excessively obvious sarcasm and conclude that I was on the fundies&#8217; side?</p>
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		By: Andy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marge, Marge, Marge Marge ...  you are a classic case. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marge, Marge, Marge Marge &#8230;  you are a classic case. </p>
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