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	Comments on: Pandemonium Looms in Minneapolis	</title>
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		By: Charles Sullivan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/19/pandemonium-looms-in-minneapol/#comment-528420</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Sullivan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 06:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No pandemonium. It&#039;s too damn cold.

Minnesota fans are spoiled. You would have had pandemonium in Chicago, Buffalo, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, New England and anywhere north of the Mason-Dixon line where the fans don&#039;t depend on a stadium to be as warm as it is in their hot toasty cars and homes.

I argue that the Super Bowl itself should be held in an outdoor stadium in a cold-weather city instead of in the semi-tropics (or in domed stadiums up north). It is a autumn-winter sport after all. 



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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No pandemonium. It&#8217;s too damn cold.</p>
<p>Minnesota fans are spoiled. You would have had pandemonium in Chicago, Buffalo, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, New England and anywhere north of the Mason-Dixon line where the fans don&#8217;t depend on a stadium to be as warm as it is in their hot toasty cars and homes.</p>
<p>I argue that the Super Bowl itself should be held in an outdoor stadium in a cold-weather city instead of in the semi-tropics (or in domed stadiums up north). It is a autumn-winter sport after all. </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 01:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Er ... actually, it is being shown on local TV, I&#039;m told. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er &#8230; actually, it is being shown on local TV, I&#8217;m told. </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The worst part is that they are not even showing the game on TV (except for the elite owners of expensive cable services, etc.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst part is that they are not even showing the game on TV (except for the elite owners of expensive cable services, etc.)</p>
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		By: DB		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/19/pandemonium-looms-in-minneapol/#comment-528417</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 00:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Greg #12:

Yeah, I wrote #9 in pedant mode.  Sorry.

I had never heard the Dylan/Dinkytown story, and I responded in surprise, not anger.  My undergraduate days at the U more or less coincided with Bob Dylan&#039;s rising stardom.  Though I have no documentary proof of Dinkytown&#039;s etymology, I can offer two bits of anecdotal evidence.  My parents -- both of whom attended the U during WW2 -- testify that &quot;Dinkytown&quot; was in common currency in the 1940s.  And this past summer, I sorted through boxes of my Dad&#039;s college paraphernalia (notebooks, snapshots, etc).  I am sure I saw references to Dinkytown in old copies of the campus newspaper (the &lt;i&gt;Minnesota Daily&lt;/i&gt;).  Alas, I threw them out, so I can&#039;t scan them for proof.  Still, I betcha $200 that &quot;Dinkytown&quot; appears with high frequency on microfilms of the &lt;i&gt;Daily&lt;/i&gt; dating back to 1945.  (And probably decades earlier).

I share your abhorrence to the sale of naming rights to the campus stadium, though the practice is of a piece with how other campus buildings are named for wealthy donors.  I save my rage for the malevolent effects of Big Athletics on the academy.  The football &amp; basketball programs are nothing but farm teams for professional sports, and have nothing to do with higher education or scholasticism.  Better to evict them from American campuses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Greg #12:</p>
<p>Yeah, I wrote #9 in pedant mode.  Sorry.</p>
<p>I had never heard the Dylan/Dinkytown story, and I responded in surprise, not anger.  My undergraduate days at the U more or less coincided with Bob Dylan&#8217;s rising stardom.  Though I have no documentary proof of Dinkytown&#8217;s etymology, I can offer two bits of anecdotal evidence.  My parents &#8212; both of whom attended the U during WW2 &#8212; testify that &#8220;Dinkytown&#8221; was in common currency in the 1940s.  And this past summer, I sorted through boxes of my Dad&#8217;s college paraphernalia (notebooks, snapshots, etc).  I am sure I saw references to Dinkytown in old copies of the campus newspaper (the <i>Minnesota Daily</i>).  Alas, I threw them out, so I can&#8217;t scan them for proof.  Still, I betcha $200 that &#8220;Dinkytown&#8221; appears with high frequency on microfilms of the <i>Daily</i> dating back to 1945.  (And probably decades earlier).</p>
<p>I share your abhorrence to the sale of naming rights to the campus stadium, though the practice is of a piece with how other campus buildings are named for wealthy donors.  I save my rage for the malevolent effects of Big Athletics on the academy.  The football &#038; basketball programs are nothing but farm teams for professional sports, and have nothing to do with higher education or scholasticism.  Better to evict them from American campuses.</p>
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		By: denature		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/19/pandemonium-looms-in-minneapol/#comment-528416</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Never heard any lore re: Dylan naming Dinkytown.  Must be trolling that occurred after my time there.  Is there a reference anywhere to said lore indicating its existence?  

I do recall the story that he used to play where the Burger King is now at.  And I believe the Dinkytown Business Association was created in the &#039;40&#039;s, if one desired documentation.  

Positively 4th St. was not written about a music store in the area.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never heard any lore re: Dylan naming Dinkytown.  Must be trolling that occurred after my time there.  Is there a reference anywhere to said lore indicating its existence?  </p>
<p>I do recall the story that he used to play where the Burger King is now at.  And I believe the Dinkytown Business Association was created in the &#8217;40&#8217;s, if one desired documentation.  </p>
<p>Positively 4th St. was not written about a music store in the area.</p>
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		By: SMT		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/19/pandemonium-looms-in-minneapol/#comment-528415</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 20:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t worry- they&#039;ve done the math and enough ticket holders have asked for a refund that they are certain it will only be 40000 angry drunks roaming campus preventing academic success and the delivery of organ transplants.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry- they&#8217;ve done the math and enough ticket holders have asked for a refund that they are certain it will only be 40000 angry drunks roaming campus preventing academic success and the delivery of organ transplants.</p>
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		By: Chris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Old Tyler C.F. Bank will be rolling in his grave!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Tyler C.F. Bank will be rolling in his grave!</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/19/pandemonium-looms-in-minneapol/#comment-528413</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DB, right on cue!  The Dylan story always enrages people, and I&#039;d love to know why. 

Local lore (&quot;it is said&quot;) has it that Dylan named Dinkytown. That is not incorrect. The lore may be wrong (probably is). Your correction of the lore is appreciated, and expected, but please target your corrections more accurately in the future.  

By the way, I&#039;ve heard the lore that Dinkytown was named Dinkytown before Dylan was around, but I&#039;ve yet to see proof.  Do you have any?  That would be great. Something in writing, a sign, a letter, a song, anything.  When and from where did you first hear that it is wrong? 

And, why dinkytown?  

And another thing: Dinkytown is like Uptown, or for you Easterners, Cape Cod.  The boundaries are expanded by those who would but don&#039;t live in them. Updown does not touch Franklin.  People fight over Bourne:  Those who live there say they live on the Cape, but they don&#039;t.  Does Dinkytown go to Como or not? 

Also, Dylan lore gets extra points for being Dylan Lore.  I mean, after all, who are your parents?  Bob Dylan?  I don&#039;t think so. 

You do get that my references to TCF Bank as a former Gopher, war hero and U president, and my reference to &quot;Stadium&quot; in a similar manner are jokes, right?  

Thanks for the background on TCF.  I came here after the name was changed, and I had assumed it was &quot;Twin Cities&quot; something or another.  

I dropped them as a bank the last time they gave access to my ATM account to some random individuals (fortunately, that person only made deposits, but whatever....).  

What I left out of my amusing post was a rant about naming rights.  I mean, really.   I &lt;em&gt;RESENT&lt;/em&gt; TCF for doing this, and Target for doing that, and all of it. If you are a big corporation you can have a whole wall of advert in the lobby if you want, but for goodness sake, name the damn thing after a worthy person or thing.

Like Bob Dylan Stadium!  Or even The Dinky Dome!  (Oh wait, that&#039;s taken.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DB, right on cue!  The Dylan story always enrages people, and I&#8217;d love to know why. </p>
<p>Local lore (&#8220;it is said&#8221;) has it that Dylan named Dinkytown. That is not incorrect. The lore may be wrong (probably is). Your correction of the lore is appreciated, and expected, but please target your corrections more accurately in the future.  </p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;ve heard the lore that Dinkytown was named Dinkytown before Dylan was around, but I&#8217;ve yet to see proof.  Do you have any?  That would be great. Something in writing, a sign, a letter, a song, anything.  When and from where did you first hear that it is wrong? </p>
<p>And, why dinkytown?  </p>
<p>And another thing: Dinkytown is like Uptown, or for you Easterners, Cape Cod.  The boundaries are expanded by those who would but don&#8217;t live in them. Updown does not touch Franklin.  People fight over Bourne:  Those who live there say they live on the Cape, but they don&#8217;t.  Does Dinkytown go to Como or not? </p>
<p>Also, Dylan lore gets extra points for being Dylan Lore.  I mean, after all, who are your parents?  Bob Dylan?  I don&#8217;t think so. </p>
<p>You do get that my references to TCF Bank as a former Gopher, war hero and U president, and my reference to &#8220;Stadium&#8221; in a similar manner are jokes, right?  </p>
<p>Thanks for the background on TCF.  I came here after the name was changed, and I had assumed it was &#8220;Twin Cities&#8221; something or another.  </p>
<p>I dropped them as a bank the last time they gave access to my ATM account to some random individuals (fortunately, that person only made deposits, but whatever&#8230;.).  </p>
<p>What I left out of my amusing post was a rant about naming rights.  I mean, really.   I <em>RESENT</em> TCF for doing this, and Target for doing that, and all of it. If you are a big corporation you can have a whole wall of advert in the lobby if you want, but for goodness sake, name the damn thing after a worthy person or thing.</p>
<p>Like Bob Dylan Stadium!  Or even The Dinky Dome!  (Oh wait, that&#8217;s taken.)</p>
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		By: J-Dog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Someone from MN - hint, hint! - should go to the MN Supreme Court, witch has former Viqueen &amp; Chicago Bear lineman Allen Page on it, and get an injunction to STOP THIS MADNESS! As Kluwe pointed out this is a major safety issue, and the game should not be played.  The NFL approved it to keep owner Ziggy Wolfe happy with money coming in to his pockets.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone from MN &#8211; hint, hint! &#8211; should go to the MN Supreme Court, witch has former Viqueen &#038; Chicago Bear lineman Allen Page on it, and get an injunction to STOP THIS MADNESS! As Kluwe pointed out this is a major safety issue, and the game should not be played.  The NFL approved it to keep owner Ziggy Wolfe happy with money coming in to his pockets.</p>
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		By: symball		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[here in the uk the football (the one where you use your feet) season has been disrupted where up to 4&quot; of snow has fallen- the pitches are still completely playable as they all have undersoil heating- it is just that with some snow on the ground they cannot guarantee the safety of the supporters. it just goes to highlight the difference between the two cultures! ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here in the uk the football (the one where you use your feet) season has been disrupted where up to 4&#8243; of snow has fallen- the pitches are still completely playable as they all have undersoil heating- it is just that with some snow on the ground they cannot guarantee the safety of the supporters. it just goes to highlight the difference between the two cultures! </p>
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