Comments on: Fast, Cheap and Ooops. NASA’s NanoSail may be dead, but it was not that big of a deal.

By: MadScientist

MadScientist — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:58:03 +0000

As far as NASA goes it’s the rotten management mantra “smaller, cheaper, better”. The people who push that are absolutely clueless of course – some things in space are necessarily big when you use existing and known reliable technology. Small satellites have their uses, but don’t imagine that they can get anywhere near the capabilities of the monstrous birds. Some old timers don’t like the idea of small satellites at all; they call ’em “space junk”.

I think the idea of small but capable satellites has been around for over 20 years now (the very first artificial satellites like Sputnik and Vanguard were very small, but the only thing they did was beep). A number of small satellites were built and launched (for example, Australia’s “FedSat”) and that’s great for the owner/client if a small bird can be put up for a few million and get some worthwhile experiments done, but I don’t really see them as anything more than a cheap(ish) method for launching a proof-of-concept instrument. I’d imagine the majority of serious work will still be done by the huge and horribly complex and expensive birds.

There was a company in the UK specializing in small birds but they have since been bought by EADS and probably no longer exist – I think they were called “Surrey Satellites”. An enthusiast group in the UK is also working on an open specification small satellite and there was an announcement a few days ago about a government sponsored open design for small satellites. We’ll see how these project go. One annoying thing about the industry is that designs must change a lot because parts become obsolete at a crazy rate.

By: Barn Owl

Barn Owl — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:50:42 +0000

What I find compelling about each of the documentaries I mentioned is that they’re basically about ordinary people. Those people might do extraordinary things, or have extraordinary and interesting experiences, but you can relate to them in a meaningful way because they’re just normal people, not narcissistic (or otherwise irredeemably screwed up) celebrities.

NMR are fascinating animals, but I wouldn’t describe them as “cute”.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:28:38 +0000

One way to trick people into seeing it is to tell them that there will be cute little rodents in it.

By: Barn Owl

Barn Owl — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 23:24:59 +0000

Fast, Cheap & Out of Control is a brilliant documentary, on a number of levels. It's among my top ten favorite documentaries, along with the Up Series and Buena Vista Social Club. Difficult to convince others of its worthiness, though, if they just don't like documentaries in general, or aren't interested in innovative cinematography techniques.

By: daedalus2u

daedalus2u — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:59:05 +0000

A lot of the problem that NASA has is that budgeting for things that have never been done before and which you don’t know how to do is kind of hard.

The second problem is that the aero/astro contractors who do all the work know that, know the process and lobby their politicians and game the system to suck all the money out of it that they can, even when that results in higher costs and worse performance. For example, the shuttle solid fuel boosters could have been made in one welded piece (no joints to fail like killed the Challenger), but then they couldn’t have been shipped by rail from Utah so Morton Thiokol couldn’t have been the contractor.

Programs are always under budgeted because that is the nature of political budgeting. You can’t budget something you don’t know how to do.

Slogans can’t change the immutable rule of engineering; Good, Fast, Cheap, pick any two. What slogans can do is trick people into agreeing to something that does not correspond with reality. Especially if it is a slick slogan, and especially if the speaker of the slogan has charisma.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:56:55 +0000

Of course, a lot of their problems could be fixed with better press releases!

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:55:05 +0000

Exactly. Mixed results, in my view, because they didn’t go fast enough, better enough, and cheap enough. And, the idea is still very much in play. Remember, with FBC, if half your shit breaks, it’s OK. With BHS (big huge science) if one thing breaks, you’re screwed.

By: Nemo

Nemo — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:42:46 +0000

For me the title brings to mind “Faster, Better, Cheaper”, NASA’s motto for the approach they started taking in the 90’s, with mixed results..