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	Comments on: The Newly Discovered Giant Flores Stork	</title>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;How do the African storks get around this problem? Leopards and such are pretty common in Africa. Tree tops, I imagine.&lt;/em&gt;

They&#039;re big and scary, and don&#039;t have much meat on them.  A leopard can more easily kill an antelope and get lots of meat. 

&lt;em&gt;K. dragons were there at the same time, the storks obviously had some way of dealing with that lizard predator problem.&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;ve seen Komodo dragons, and I&#039;ve seen (and eaten)  the almost as large monitors of the rain forest in Africa, and I&#039;ve seen the marabou storks.  These storks are huge, strong, and have giant sharp beaks. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much of a contest.

&lt;em&gt;Of course, the dragons are still there and the storks are gone. &lt;/em&gt;

Good point.  The modern Holocene Marabou of the region may have been wiped out by humans more recently, not sure.  

&lt;em&gt;I wonder if the storks might even have been dragon predators. &lt;/em&gt;

Quite possibly. Or at least, eggs and babies. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>How do the African storks get around this problem? Leopards and such are pretty common in Africa. Tree tops, I imagine.</em></p>
<p>They&#8217;re big and scary, and don&#8217;t have much meat on them.  A leopard can more easily kill an antelope and get lots of meat. </p>
<p><em>K. dragons were there at the same time, the storks obviously had some way of dealing with that lizard predator problem.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen Komodo dragons, and I&#8217;ve seen (and eaten)  the almost as large monitors of the rain forest in Africa, and I&#8217;ve seen the marabou storks.  These storks are huge, strong, and have giant sharp beaks. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much of a contest.</p>
<p><em>Of course, the dragons are still there and the storks are gone. </em></p>
<p>Good point.  The modern Holocene Marabou of the region may have been wiped out by humans more recently, not sure.  </p>
<p><em>I wonder if the storks might even have been dragon predators. </em></p>
<p>Quite possibly. Or at least, eggs and babies. </p>
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		By: Achrachno		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Achrachno]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;feline mammalian predators would hunt the diurnal storks at night

How do the African storks get around this problem?  Leopards and such are pretty common in Africa.  Tree tops, I imagine.

If the Flores stork was flightless, and if K. dragons were there at the same time, the storks obviously had some way of dealing with that lizard predator problem. Of course, the dragons are still there and the storks are gone.  Perhaps they had an imperfect predator avoidance strategy.

I wonder if the storks might even have been dragon predators.  Dining on the young might keep adults down in numbers.  Many ideas are possible when speculation is not constrained by a lot of pesky facts.








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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>feline mammalian predators would hunt the diurnal storks at night</p>
<p>How do the African storks get around this problem?  Leopards and such are pretty common in Africa.  Tree tops, I imagine.</p>
<p>If the Flores stork was flightless, and if K. dragons were there at the same time, the storks obviously had some way of dealing with that lizard predator problem. Of course, the dragons are still there and the storks are gone.  Perhaps they had an imperfect predator avoidance strategy.</p>
<p>I wonder if the storks might even have been dragon predators.  Dining on the young might keep adults down in numbers.  Many ideas are possible when speculation is not constrained by a lot of pesky facts.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And actually, feline mammalian predators would hunt the diurnal storks at night, when the would be at a disadvantage even if they flew.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And actually, feline mammalian predators would hunt the diurnal storks at night, when the would be at a disadvantage even if they flew.  </p>
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		By: Achrchno		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Achrchno]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&gt;Essentially, there would have been no mammalian predators so flight was selected against, 

But there were Komodo dragons there, right?  I&#039;m unclear on whether loss of flight would have been all that desirable.  Cost/benefit?  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>Essentially, there would have been no mammalian predators so flight was selected against, </p>
<p>But there were Komodo dragons there, right?  I&#8217;m unclear on whether loss of flight would have been all that desirable.  Cost/benefit?  </p>
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		By: ridelo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another argument for The Stork Theory! Them storks had an easy life there on Flores. So big storks, so small baby&#039;s. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another argument for The Stork Theory! Them storks had an easy life there on Flores. So big storks, so small baby&#8217;s. </p>
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		By: Phillip IV		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I bet the artist worked from the 1.06 cm body height estimated for the type specimen of the species, LB1, who happened to be at the lower end of the range - might still have done it on purpose, though, to arrive at a more visually impressive height difference. But, regardless of the illustration, at least one of the headlines announcing the find read &quot;Hobbit-eating giant stork discovered&quot; - so, no way how careful a study is about avoiding sensationalist phrasing, journalists will still make up the difference. (And, admittedly, a headline like &#039;fossils of slightly larger than usual stork discovered&#039; probably isn&#039;t a great attention getter.) ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet the artist worked from the 1.06 cm body height estimated for the type specimen of the species, LB1, who happened to be at the lower end of the range &#8211; might still have done it on purpose, though, to arrive at a more visually impressive height difference. But, regardless of the illustration, at least one of the headlines announcing the find read &#8220;Hobbit-eating giant stork discovered&#8221; &#8211; so, no way how careful a study is about avoiding sensationalist phrasing, journalists will still make up the difference. (And, admittedly, a headline like &#8216;fossils of slightly larger than usual stork discovered&#8217; probably isn&#8217;t a great attention getter.) </p>
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		By: Andy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 15:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very cool]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool</p>
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