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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 21:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fred, I don&#039;t think it would work that way.  For instance, in order to combat plain and simple racism that emerged in the 1960s and 70s in many cities among cabbies, such that they would not drive to certain parts of town or even pick up African Americans at all, rules were put into place:  To keep your hackney license, you will take the fares.   I don&#039;t know what the Authority laws were in Minnesota, but I&#039;m pretty sure that when the cabbies at the airport started suddenly to get selective about who they would drive ... asking fares if they had spirits in their luggage ... they were immediately fired.

The cab companies are private, but under license, and the rules of how to work the airports are very strict. I.e., you can&#039;t just drive to the airport and pick up a fare, you go to the airport and join the cab pool and everybody gets the same exact deal. You can only join the pool if you take someone there or are called there by the airport authority, etc. And, if you don&#039;t follow the rules you lose your permit to even drive on airport property. Not all cabs can even go to the airport.

The right of practicing religion was pitted directly against being forced to follow a government regulation in a highly regulated environment, not a gov. agency but darn close to it. I&#039;m not sure what the outcome was, but as I recall, the cabbies were forced to either give up their airport privileges or to get with the program and not discriminate. 

It wasn&#039;t seen as the Muslim cabbies being discriminated against by the courts, as I recall. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, I don&#8217;t think it would work that way.  For instance, in order to combat plain and simple racism that emerged in the 1960s and 70s in many cities among cabbies, such that they would not drive to certain parts of town or even pick up African Americans at all, rules were put into place:  To keep your hackney license, you will take the fares.   I don&#8217;t know what the Authority laws were in Minnesota, but I&#8217;m pretty sure that when the cabbies at the airport started suddenly to get selective about who they would drive &#8230; asking fares if they had spirits in their luggage &#8230; they were immediately fired.</p>
<p>The cab companies are private, but under license, and the rules of how to work the airports are very strict. I.e., you can&#8217;t just drive to the airport and pick up a fare, you go to the airport and join the cab pool and everybody gets the same exact deal. You can only join the pool if you take someone there or are called there by the airport authority, etc. And, if you don&#8217;t follow the rules you lose your permit to even drive on airport property. Not all cabs can even go to the airport.</p>
<p>The right of practicing religion was pitted directly against being forced to follow a government regulation in a highly regulated environment, not a gov. agency but darn close to it. I&#8217;m not sure what the outcome was, but as I recall, the cabbies were forced to either give up their airport privileges or to get with the program and not discriminate. </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t seen as the Muslim cabbies being discriminated against by the courts, as I recall. </p>
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		By: Fred		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As an employee I&#039;d have no problem with him being fired by a private company.  I do have a problem with a government insisting that religious beliefs be disregarded in order to acquire a license to engage in a business.


Welllllll........ Shit, now I&#039;m thinking about religious &quot;doctors&quot; and that thought scares me, so I&#039;ll just admit I&#039;m wrong.

I still side with the cab drivers though.  Cognitive dissonance or what not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an employee I&#8217;d have no problem with him being fired by a private company.  I do have a problem with a government insisting that religious beliefs be disregarded in order to acquire a license to engage in a business.</p>
<p>Welllllll&#8230;&#8230;.. Shit, now I&#8217;m thinking about religious &#8220;doctors&#8221; and that thought scares me, so I&#8217;ll just admit I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
<p>I still side with the cab drivers though.  Cognitive dissonance or what not.</p>
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		By: Mike Crichton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Crichton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fred: Why aren&#039;t the beliefs of a KKK member who doesn&#039;t want to give black passengers rides in his Pure White Cab a good reason not to fire him?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred: Why aren&#8217;t the beliefs of a KKK member who doesn&#8217;t want to give black passengers rides in his Pure White Cab a good reason not to fire him?</p>
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		By: Fred		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 07:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why aren&#039;t their beliefs good reason? 

Anyway I&#039;d be pretty interested in an ethnographic breakdown of Twin Cities cab drivers and cab riders.  I&#039;d bet it would reveal a bunch of rich white dudes telling Brown dudes their religion doesn&#039;t matter in america(fuck yeah) ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why aren&#8217;t their beliefs good reason? </p>
<p>Anyway I&#8217;d be pretty interested in an ethnographic breakdown of Twin Cities cab drivers and cab riders.  I&#8217;d bet it would reveal a bunch of rich white dudes telling Brown dudes their religion doesn&#8217;t matter in america(fuck yeah) </p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 04:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fred, we are obviously talking about the straight forward cases, and that is appropriate. We do not need to do the wrong thing on a day to day basis because doing the right thing might somehow get messy 1 on a thousand times. 

Another example that comes to mind is a problem we had in the Twin Cities with cab drivers who discovered that it was against their religion to transport passengers from the airport who were carrying spirits in their luggage.  I think initially there was a great deal of confusion, but at this point it is pretty clear: If you want to be a cab driver, you can&#039;t refuse a fair without good reason, and thats not a good reason.  

The principle that applies here is: Suck it up or go away.  Really, not hard. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred, we are obviously talking about the straight forward cases, and that is appropriate. We do not need to do the wrong thing on a day to day basis because doing the right thing might somehow get messy 1 on a thousand times. </p>
<p>Another example that comes to mind is a problem we had in the Twin Cities with cab drivers who discovered that it was against their religion to transport passengers from the airport who were carrying spirits in their luggage.  I think initially there was a great deal of confusion, but at this point it is pretty clear: If you want to be a cab driver, you can&#8217;t refuse a fair without good reason, and thats not a good reason.  </p>
<p>The principle that applies here is: Suck it up or go away.  Really, not hard. </p>
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		By: Mike Crichton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Crichton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 04:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fred: &lt;i&gt;Apply this thinking to people that suffer an injury, or age, or are transgenered or come out of the closet. &lt;/i&gt;

If somebody who came out of the closet used that as an excuse to refuse to provide services to, say, conservative christians, then I&#039;d be all for firing their asses too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred: <i>Apply this thinking to people that suffer an injury, or age, or are transgenered or come out of the closet. </i></p>
<p>If somebody who came out of the closet used that as an excuse to refuse to provide services to, say, conservative christians, then I&#8217;d be all for firing their asses too.</p>
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		By: Fred		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/09/religion-gives-you-a-pass-to-b/#comment-527915</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; You need to restrict the jobs you take to those where this will not happen. If you were in error or things change and you must then do something against your ethics, then you must quit. This is not hard.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Apply this thinking to people that suffer an injury, or age, or are transgenered or come out of the closet.  All of those situations have impacts upon employment, just like this ass-hat&#039;s religion does.  Should their employment be protected? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> You need to restrict the jobs you take to those where this will not happen. If you were in error or things change and you must then do something against your ethics, then you must quit. This is not hard.</p></blockquote>
<p>Apply this thinking to people that suffer an injury, or age, or are transgenered or come out of the closet.  All of those situations have impacts upon employment, just like this ass-hat&#8217;s religion does.  Should their employment be protected? </p>
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		By: gwen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gwen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 06:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greatbear, don&#039;t make assumptions! I have a sister in law who is a rabid Jehovahs witness, and she trained to be a phlebotomist and work in labs. You know, where you have to type and crossmatch blood and give them out to people for transfusions..talk about dissonance!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greatbear, don&#8217;t make assumptions! I have a sister in law who is a rabid Jehovahs witness, and she trained to be a phlebotomist and work in labs. You know, where you have to type and crossmatch blood and give them out to people for transfusions..talk about dissonance!</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We need a law that says that if you are a pharmacist and you refuse any legal service you pay a big ass fine.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need a law that says that if you are a pharmacist and you refuse any legal service you pay a big ass fine.  </p>
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		By: Mike Crichton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Crichton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 04:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greatbear: &lt;i.There comes a point where you have to ask someone, &quot;Why did you even take this job if its basic functions violate your beliefs?&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

To become a martyr for those beliefs, of course. In recent years, some &quot;pro-life&quot; churches have started encouraging their parishioners to pursue careers as pharmacists, specifically so they can refuse emergency contraception to their customers. From their perspective, it&#039;s a win-win: If they get away with it, yay, they just prevented a baby-killin&#039;! If they fail, they get to be martyrs and get lots of public attention for their terrible persecution, and maybe even get laws passed so they can legally refuse to do their job in the future. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greatbear: <i.There comes a point where you have to ask someone, "Why did you even take this job if its basic functions violate your beliefs?" 

To become a martyr for those beliefs, of course. In recent years, some &#8220;pro-life&#8221; churches have started encouraging their parishioners to pursue careers as pharmacists, specifically so they can refuse emergency contraception to their customers. From their perspective, it&#8217;s a win-win: If they get away with it, yay, they just prevented a baby-killin&#8217;! If they fail, they get to be martyrs and get lots of public attention for their terrible persecution, and maybe even get laws passed so they can legally refuse to do their job in the future. 
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