Comments on: Jew with a gun tries to make point, gets busted, is very creepy https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/ Mon, 26 Oct 2015 05:52:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.8 By: PJ https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527855 Mon, 26 Oct 2015 05:52:22 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527855 and *the live round that was in the chamber*.
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Yeah, heaven forbid that there should be a round in the chamber. (eyes rolling…)

So the guy’s an asshole. Why don’t you go after him for being a Jew, rather than being a gun owner? Makes about as much sense.

“So I see this incident as proof positive that the line between gun advocates and gun safety related resources and teachers on one hand, and threatening and dangerous gun nuts on the other hand, to be either very thin or simply non existent.”

Par for the course on gun prohibitionist “research”. One anecdote makes for a rule.

]]> By: Mrs. Majority https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527854 Fri, 17 Dec 2010 02:55:12 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527854 I remember it passing by wide margins in 2003, and then again after the interregnum. This wasn’t an accident. It’s what everyone wants.

You’re upset because your beliefs aren’t represented in the majority. Those feelings are understandable, and there’s no shame in disagreement. However, that you feel alienated doesn’t mean that the status quo is some kind of oversight or clerical error. It was carefully designed and then made law. It’s what everyone wants.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527853 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:49:38 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527853 Mrs Majority, given the history of this bill, careful consideration is the last thing I would use do describe it. Or is your memory of that fiasco selective?

]]> By: Mrs. Majority https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527852 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:39:15 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527852 Excuse me. To be clear, it’s not a loophole or accident. The law is as it’s written by design. This is what everyone wants.

]]> By: Mrs. Majority https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527851 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:41:12 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527851 @Greg
The language you’re discussing was specifically–and after very careful consideration by the authors and debate in the legislature)–left the way it is when MCPPA passed. Google “”MCPPA” and “Professor Joseph Olson” (make-happener of MCPPA). This was intended.

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527850 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 05:24:26 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527850 Nope. The previous situation in Minnesota is that you could not walk around with the gun, or walk into a public place with a gun. The new law allows broad exceptions to this default. IF this law was repealed tomorrow, there would be no legal way to do what Rosenberg did. this is a very important distinction.

]]> By: Mike Crichton https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527849 Thu, 16 Dec 2010 05:07:28 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527849 It is a bad law because it doesn’t explicitly address government controlled space that is not public.

The default assumption in our legal system is supposed to be that if a power isn’t explicitly granted to a representative of the state, they don’t have it. Noxious as he is, I think Rosenberg might actually be legally in the right.

]]> By: Irene https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527848 Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:54:45 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527848 Sounds like Daedalus2u has it right to me.

]]> By: Mrs. Majority https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527847 Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:31:43 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527847 @Daedalus2u
Ha! Not even close to how the statutes operate. Not even CLOSE. No, a peace officer may not. The statute doesn’t declare what you want it to. I’ll give you something of real value–no kidding–if you can cite an instance where the statute has been demonstrated to mean what you want it to mean. Go.

]]> By: daedalus2u https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527846 Tue, 14 Dec 2010 03:05:51 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/12/09/jew-with-a-gun-tries-to-make-p/#comment-527846 As I read the law a peace officer (626.84) does have the authority (609.605 TRESPASS.1.b.11) to designate â??any public or private area lawfully cordoned off by or at the direction of a peace officer engaged in the performance of official dutiesâ? an area where someone not authorized by that peace officer is guilty of trespass.

The space designated by the peace officer as off limits for guns was posted. That makes it not a â??public placeâ? any more and unauthorized people entering that space are guilty of trespass. That the peace officer made the space non-public by virtue of gun possession status is (I think) legal.

As I read the statute, it is silent with respect to whether permitted guns are allowed in public spaces where a peace officer has designated the area as off limits for guns. The peace officer can make the space off limits for everyone, certainly he/she can make it off limits for a subset of everyone.

On the other hand, when a peace officer asks a permit holder if they are carrying a gun, the permit holder is required to say if they are. If he did have a backup gun and didn’t disclose it, then he is guilty of not disclosing it.

It is a bad law because it doesn’t explicitly address government controlled space that is not public.

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