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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think it is believed that the symbolization, which are chemo-synthetic bacteria,  come from more than one origin but they are basically bacteria that don&#039;t use photosynthesis and have the ability to get their energy from a hydrogen pathway and using other chemicals (sulpher) at vents. They don&#039;t use arsenate instead of phosphate for anything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is believed that the symbolization, which are chemo-synthetic bacteria,  come from more than one origin but they are basically bacteria that don&#8217;t use photosynthesis and have the ability to get their energy from a hydrogen pathway and using other chemicals (sulpher) at vents. They don&#8217;t use arsenate instead of phosphate for anything.</p>
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		By: Jim Brock		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Brock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 15:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Off topic, but: How do the thermal vent species fit into this discussion? Strange but similar beasties.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic, but: How do the thermal vent species fit into this discussion? Strange but similar beasties.</p>
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		By: Marta Torres		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/02/nasas-new-organism-the-meaning/#comment-527261</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marta Torres]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[strange... where are the other comments?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>strange&#8230; where are the other comments?</p>
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		By: Richard Aberdeen		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/02/nasas-new-organism-the-meaning/#comment-527260</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aberdeen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 14:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are other reasons why life may be similar, other than single origination.  Darwin himself allowed for multiple origins, as well as Darwin credited a Creator with being behind evolutionary processes, two well established facts ignored by most modern intellectuals.

If life arrived on space rocks, as some scientists have proposed, then what arrived may have been quite similar or even identical, may have been &quot;seeded&quot; abundantly throughout the earth and thus, arose from all over the earth and, is so complexly cross-integrated at root levels, as to only appear to be singular in origin.

Another perhaps more likely reality, is that what causes life to arise came out of the big bang, is refined in stars along with the majority of elements, is spread througout the Cosmos within zillions of planetary environments, as so much &quot;fertilizer&quot; waiting for conditions to arise favorable for it to &quot;arise&quot;.  This life &quot;fertilizer&quot; may be identical or nearly identical in structure, which would also explain similarity of life, which may indeed have arisen all over our planet, from zillions of tiny identical or nearly identical life forms, as well as arisen abundantly throughout the Cosmos.

More Information on why modern evolutionary theory is mainly a poorly contrived &quot;human construct&quot;, grossly inadequate to actual explain how, when, where or why life came to exist on our planet: 
http://freedomtracks.com/500/theory.html ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are other reasons why life may be similar, other than single origination.  Darwin himself allowed for multiple origins, as well as Darwin credited a Creator with being behind evolutionary processes, two well established facts ignored by most modern intellectuals.</p>
<p>If life arrived on space rocks, as some scientists have proposed, then what arrived may have been quite similar or even identical, may have been &#8220;seeded&#8221; abundantly throughout the earth and thus, arose from all over the earth and, is so complexly cross-integrated at root levels, as to only appear to be singular in origin.</p>
<p>Another perhaps more likely reality, is that what causes life to arise came out of the big bang, is refined in stars along with the majority of elements, is spread througout the Cosmos within zillions of planetary environments, as so much &#8220;fertilizer&#8221; waiting for conditions to arise favorable for it to &#8220;arise&#8221;.  This life &#8220;fertilizer&#8221; may be identical or nearly identical in structure, which would also explain similarity of life, which may indeed have arisen all over our planet, from zillions of tiny identical or nearly identical life forms, as well as arisen abundantly throughout the Cosmos.</p>
<p>More Information on why modern evolutionary theory is mainly a poorly contrived &#8220;human construct&#8221;, grossly inadequate to actual explain how, when, where or why life came to exist on our planet:<br />
<a href="http://freedomtracks.com/500/theory.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://freedomtracks.com/500/theory.html</a> </p>
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		By: hoary puccoon		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/12/02/nasas-new-organism-the-meaning/#comment-527460</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hoary puccoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If, in some extreme environment, organisms are discovered  that don&#039;t stem from the same abiogenesis as the rest of us, evolutionary biologists won&#039;t be upset that evolution has been &quot;disproven.&quot; They will be absolutely ecstatic!

Two completely separate evolutionary lines would make it possible to test all kinds of hypotheses that can&#039;t be tested now-- because all known organisms are too closely related.

People who think that evolution can be &quot;disproven&quot; by some minor, new discovery just don&#039;t understand the huge weight of evidence supporting evolutionary theory. It&#039;s not like sinking the Bismarck-- it&#039;s like sinking the whole continent of Europe.

(Bom dia, Marta. :-) )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If, in some extreme environment, organisms are discovered  that don&#8217;t stem from the same abiogenesis as the rest of us, evolutionary biologists won&#8217;t be upset that evolution has been &#8220;disproven.&#8221; They will be absolutely ecstatic!</p>
<p>Two completely separate evolutionary lines would make it possible to test all kinds of hypotheses that can&#8217;t be tested now&#8211; because all known organisms are too closely related.</p>
<p>People who think that evolution can be &#8220;disproven&#8221; by some minor, new discovery just don&#8217;t understand the huge weight of evidence supporting evolutionary theory. It&#8217;s not like sinking the Bismarck&#8211; it&#8217;s like sinking the whole continent of Europe.</p>
<p>(Bom dia, Marta. 🙂 )</p>
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		By: Collin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Collin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wasn&#039;t there something about bacteria that use tungsten instead of sulfur?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t there something about bacteria that use tungsten instead of sulfur?</p>
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		By: Marta Torres @TorresMarta		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marta Torres @TorresMarta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 17:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Greg Laden and Stephanie Z. I think now you got my good intention with this discussion. I want to make it clear that I have nothing to do with all those religious speeches about creationism. As I said before, I think those speeches are also anthropocentric, and I&#039;m not interested to ressurect that church idea of the begging of life.

So I&#039;ll quote now what Darwin said in his book:

&quot;In considering the origin of species, it is quite conceivable that a naturalist, reflecting on the mutual affinities of organic beings, on their embryological relations, their geographical distribution, geological succession, and other such facts, might come to the conclusion that each species had not been independently created, but had descended, like varieties, from other species. Nevertheless, such a conclusion, even if well founded, would be unsatisfactory, until it could be shown how the innumerable species inhabiting this world have been modified, so as to acquire that perfection of structure and coadaptation which most justly excites our admiration. Naturalists continually refer to external conditions, such as climate, food, etc., as the only possible cause of variation. In one very limited sense, as we shall hereafter see, this may be true; but it is preposterous to attribute to mere external conditions, the structure, for instance, of the wood-pecker, with its feet, tail, beak and tongue, so admirably adapted to catch insects under the bark or trees.&quot; (DARWIN, p. 11)

&quot;Now let us turn to nature. When a part has been in an extraordinary manner in any one species, compared with the other species of the same genus, we may conclude that this part has undergone an extraordinary amount of modification, since the period when the species branched off from the common progenitor of the genus. This period will seldom to be remote in any extreme degree, as species very rarely endure form more than one geological period.[â?¦] And this, I am convinced, is the case. That the struggle between natural selection on the one hand, and the tendency to reversion and variability on the other hand, will in the course of time cease; and that the most abnormally developed organs may be made constant, I can see no reason to doubt.&quot;  (Darwin, p. 172-173)

&quot;If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. But I can find out no such case. No doubt many organs exist of which we do not know the transitional grades, more especially if we look to much-isolated species, round which, according to my theory, there has been much extinction&quot; (Darwin, p. 210). 

(DARWIN, Charles. The origin of species. London: Collectorâ??s Library, 2004)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Greg Laden and Stephanie Z. I think now you got my good intention with this discussion. I want to make it clear that I have nothing to do with all those religious speeches about creationism. As I said before, I think those speeches are also anthropocentric, and I&#8217;m not interested to ressurect that church idea of the begging of life.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ll quote now what Darwin said in his book:</p>
<p>&#8220;In considering the origin of species, it is quite conceivable that a naturalist, reflecting on the mutual affinities of organic beings, on their embryological relations, their geographical distribution, geological succession, and other such facts, might come to the conclusion that each species had not been independently created, but had descended, like varieties, from other species. Nevertheless, such a conclusion, even if well founded, would be unsatisfactory, until it could be shown how the innumerable species inhabiting this world have been modified, so as to acquire that perfection of structure and coadaptation which most justly excites our admiration. Naturalists continually refer to external conditions, such as climate, food, etc., as the only possible cause of variation. In one very limited sense, as we shall hereafter see, this may be true; but it is preposterous to attribute to mere external conditions, the structure, for instance, of the wood-pecker, with its feet, tail, beak and tongue, so admirably adapted to catch insects under the bark or trees.&#8221; (DARWIN, p. 11)</p>
<p>&#8220;Now let us turn to nature. When a part has been in an extraordinary manner in any one species, compared with the other species of the same genus, we may conclude that this part has undergone an extraordinary amount of modification, since the period when the species branched off from the common progenitor of the genus. This period will seldom to be remote in any extreme degree, as species very rarely endure form more than one geological period.[â?¦] And this, I am convinced, is the case. That the struggle between natural selection on the one hand, and the tendency to reversion and variability on the other hand, will in the course of time cease; and that the most abnormally developed organs may be made constant, I can see no reason to doubt.&#8221;  (Darwin, p. 172-173)</p>
<p>&#8220;If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. But I can find out no such case. No doubt many organs exist of which we do not know the transitional grades, more especially if we look to much-isolated species, round which, according to my theory, there has been much extinction&#8221; (Darwin, p. 210). </p>
<p>(DARWIN, Charles. The origin of species. London: Collectorâ??s Library, 2004)</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 16:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maria: &lt;em&gt;Darwinâ??s evolution theory has as its first premise the conception of common ancestor, which means that all beings come from the same origin. &lt;/em&gt;

I think calling it a &quot;first premise&quot; is a post hoc thing you&#039;ve added.  Darwin never said that. If I were to infer a first premise from Darwinian Theorie&lt;strong&gt;s&lt;/strong&gt; I&#039;d say it was descent with modification.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria: <em>Darwinâ??s evolution theory has as its first premise the conception of common ancestor, which means that all beings come from the same origin. </em></p>
<p>I think calling it a &#8220;first premise&#8221; is a post hoc thing you&#8217;ve added.  Darwin never said that. If I were to infer a first premise from Darwinian Theorie<strong>s</strong> I&#8217;d say it was descent with modification.  </p>
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		By: Stephanie Z		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Z]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 16:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marta, all organisms are different from the other organisms alive on Earth. The fact that there is non-cellular life doesn&#039;t invalidate evolution. Viruses still have plenty in common with plants, animals, etc. that points to a common ancestor. Also, I think you&#039;re a bit confused about what this experiment actually says, even if replicated (which is looking doubtful these days). Read Greg&#039;s post again in full.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marta, all organisms are different from the other organisms alive on Earth. The fact that there is non-cellular life doesn&#8217;t invalidate evolution. Viruses still have plenty in common with plants, animals, etc. that points to a common ancestor. Also, I think you&#8217;re a bit confused about what this experiment actually says, even if replicated (which is looking doubtful these days). Read Greg&#8217;s post again in full.</p>
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		By: @TorresMarta		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are right, I&#039;m not american and although I&#039;m trying real hard to speak perfectly your language I make lots of mistakes, but at least I&#039;m trying to speak your language so we can talk about science(and not expecting you speak portuguese to do so). Sorry for my bad English grammar and spelling, but I think you can get my idea. Try to foccus on it, if you can.
I do not spend time in the internet with stupid things, insted I invist my time reading blogs like yours so I can understand a little more about life. As I&#039;ve already told you, I&#039;m a lawyer, who is trying to understand the evolution theory &#039;cause it&#039;s passed to the law students (like me) as a truth, but I do not think so. I&#039;m here to discuss science, &#039;cause this evolution theory is applied to human rights&#039; theory to justify why only humans have the right to live (and this right cannot be applied to animals) - that&#039;s what I&#039;m researching in my masters. 
I think we can learn some things outside the classes, reading blogs like yours and the discussion it&#039;s being developed. If you want all the students to stuck on a classroom to understand everything, you shouldn&#039;t be writing a blog on the internet.
I hope if you can&#039;t respond my point of view about Darwin, at least you respect me as a student. We have a popular quote that says &quot;no one knows so much that doesn&#039;t have anything else to learn and no one knows so few things about life that doesn&#039;t have anything to teach&quot;. 
Again, sorry about my english mistakes. But I&#039;m sure you are smart enough to get the idea.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, I&#8217;m not american and although I&#8217;m trying real hard to speak perfectly your language I make lots of mistakes, but at least I&#8217;m trying to speak your language so we can talk about science(and not expecting you speak portuguese to do so). Sorry for my bad English grammar and spelling, but I think you can get my idea. Try to foccus on it, if you can.<br />
I do not spend time in the internet with stupid things, insted I invist my time reading blogs like yours so I can understand a little more about life. As I&#8217;ve already told you, I&#8217;m a lawyer, who is trying to understand the evolution theory &#8217;cause it&#8217;s passed to the law students (like me) as a truth, but I do not think so. I&#8217;m here to discuss science, &#8217;cause this evolution theory is applied to human rights&#8217; theory to justify why only humans have the right to live (and this right cannot be applied to animals) &#8211; that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m researching in my masters.<br />
I think we can learn some things outside the classes, reading blogs like yours and the discussion it&#8217;s being developed. If you want all the students to stuck on a classroom to understand everything, you shouldn&#8217;t be writing a blog on the internet.<br />
I hope if you can&#8217;t respond my point of view about Darwin, at least you respect me as a student. We have a popular quote that says &#8220;no one knows so much that doesn&#8217;t have anything else to learn and no one knows so few things about life that doesn&#8217;t have anything to teach&#8221;.<br />
Again, sorry about my english mistakes. But I&#8217;m sure you are smart enough to get the idea.</p>
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