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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/11/15/tea-party-shows-its-first-sign/#comment-526543</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 03:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Cripes&lt;/em&gt;

And, from the Upper Plains, a hearty Uffda.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Cripes</em></p>
<p>And, from the Upper Plains, a hearty Uffda.  </p>
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		By: bug_g		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/11/15/tea-party-shows-its-first-sign/#comment-526542</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bug_g]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 00:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have encountered the crush freaks (their term, not mine) before--insects are the most common victim.  Crushing of vertebrate animals other than mice is relatively rare, for obvious reasons--legal and financial.  

I think it&#039;s creepy as all get out that they think trampling insects is sexy. And I think it&#039;s incredibly cruel to do that to animals we know are capable of feeling pain, and do have a clear, well developed nervous system.

I can&#039;t believe the teabaggers chose this very rare fetish to make a huge threat worthy of motivating the party.  
As so often, all I have is this classic midwest phrase:
Cripes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have encountered the crush freaks (their term, not mine) before&#8211;insects are the most common victim.  Crushing of vertebrate animals other than mice is relatively rare, for obvious reasons&#8211;legal and financial.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s creepy as all get out that they think trampling insects is sexy. And I think it&#8217;s incredibly cruel to do that to animals we know are capable of feeling pain, and do have a clear, well developed nervous system.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe the teabaggers chose this very rare fetish to make a huge threat worthy of motivating the party.<br />
As so often, all I have is this classic midwest phrase:<br />
Cripes.</p>
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		By: Aratina Cage		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/11/15/tea-party-shows-its-first-sign/#comment-526541</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aratina Cage]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m also laughing about how their pact to not produce any more pork in the next session brings them closer to the political position of... President Obama. For all the hype, that&#039;s some seriously weak tea they&#039;ve got there (which is a good thing).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also laughing about how their pact to not produce any more pork in the next session brings them closer to the political position of&#8230; President Obama. For all the hype, that&#8217;s some seriously weak tea they&#8217;ve got there (which is a good thing).</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 17:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[HP: &lt;em&gt;Stephen Gould may or may not have been right in geologic time, but he sure as hell nailed it in human time.&lt;/em&gt;

Gould was just to my right and also headed feet first towards the ants and almost smashed them on instinct.   So the third possibility was me being a witness to a knock down drag out fight between E.O. Wilson and S.J. Gould over some ants.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HP: <em>Stephen Gould may or may not have been right in geologic time, but he sure as hell nailed it in human time.</em></p>
<p>Gould was just to my right and also headed feet first towards the ants and almost smashed them on instinct.   So the third possibility was me being a witness to a knock down drag out fight between E.O. Wilson and S.J. Gould over some ants.  </p>
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		By: g724		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[g724]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 05:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Greg on this one. 

There&#039;s no need to invoke the commerce clause here.  The act of a) committing a crime, b) filming same, and c) distributing the film for profit (thereby obtaining profit from the commission of the crime), is already outside the realm of protected speech.  Cruelty to animals is already illegal under numerous state statutes, possibly under federal statute as well.  QED.  

But speaking to the broader issue of which animals are a subset, I would apply the standards from the child pornography laws, including case law, across the books to all crimes that are of equal or greater severity of impact on the victim than the crime of child molestation.  Yes, that specifically means murder.  And yes, that specifically includes purely fictional depictions, as is the case with child porn.   (You can&#039;t make a purely animated video of a grownup raping a kid: even though no actual kid is abused in the process, that video will still get you a sentence in federal prison.)  And I dare anyone to try to argue the contrary.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Greg on this one. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no need to invoke the commerce clause here.  The act of a) committing a crime, b) filming same, and c) distributing the film for profit (thereby obtaining profit from the commission of the crime), is already outside the realm of protected speech.  Cruelty to animals is already illegal under numerous state statutes, possibly under federal statute as well.  QED.  </p>
<p>But speaking to the broader issue of which animals are a subset, I would apply the standards from the child pornography laws, including case law, across the books to all crimes that are of equal or greater severity of impact on the victim than the crime of child molestation.  Yes, that specifically means murder.  And yes, that specifically includes purely fictional depictions, as is the case with child porn.   (You can&#8217;t make a purely animated video of a grownup raping a kid: even though no actual kid is abused in the process, that video will still get you a sentence in federal prison.)  And I dare anyone to try to argue the contrary.  </p>
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		By: Kapitano		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kapitano]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is the hysteria over crush videos &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; going on?

Porn for foot fetishists who are also into extreme animal cruelty &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; death. To be classed alongside gerbilling, stealing bodies from graveyards to have sex with them, and my particular favourite porn myth: Red Porn, made with an endoscope.

I&#039;m quite happy for the teabaggers to be fully occupied with outlawing things which don&#039;t exist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the hysteria over crush videos <i>still</i> going on?</p>
<p>Porn for foot fetishists who are also into extreme animal cruelty <i>and</i> death. To be classed alongside gerbilling, stealing bodies from graveyards to have sex with them, and my particular favourite porn myth: Red Porn, made with an endoscope.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite happy for the teabaggers to be fully occupied with outlawing things which don&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		By: gruebait		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/11/15/tea-party-shows-its-first-sign/#comment-526537</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gruebait]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The average Tea Party member probably knows more about the Constitution than your average President with a background in constitutional law.&quot;

Especially the ones who presided over that silly Harvard Law Review. What is that, a remedial course or something?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The average Tea Party member probably knows more about the Constitution than your average President with a background in constitutional law.&#8221;</p>
<p>Especially the ones who presided over that silly Harvard Law Review. What is that, a remedial course or something?</p>
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		By: Fred Magyar		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/11/15/tea-party-shows-its-first-sign/#comment-526536</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Magyar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; I have no idea why Sarah Palin and Michel Bachmann come so starkly to mind. I am now going to wash my brain out with Listerine.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, after reading this post I now have a mental image of hundreds of naked mole rats frantically slipping and sliding over a polished marble floor while Sarah Palin and Michel Bachmann, wearing stiletto heels and brandishing maracas are gyrating wildly to a heavy Latin beat, as they stomp the helpless mole rats their beneath their heels... Ok, pass the listerine please &gt;;^)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I have no idea why Sarah Palin and Michel Bachmann come so starkly to mind. I am now going to wash my brain out with Listerine.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, after reading this post I now have a mental image of hundreds of naked mole rats frantically slipping and sliding over a polished marble floor while Sarah Palin and Michel Bachmann, wearing stiletto heels and brandishing maracas are gyrating wildly to a heavy Latin beat, as they stomp the helpless mole rats their beneath their heels&#8230; Ok, pass the listerine please >;^)</p>
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		By: Jordan		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/11/15/tea-party-shows-its-first-sign/#comment-526535</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Odd that you&#039;d say it&#039;s the tea party members who don&#039;t know the constitution.  My experience has been that it&#039;s the democrats and other liberals who don&#039;t know anything about the constitution except the first and second amendments (and then using that to argue for the abolition of the second).  My favorite: the 10th amendment.  Oh well, I guess it depends on where you go.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odd that you&#8217;d say it&#8217;s the tea party members who don&#8217;t know the constitution.  My experience has been that it&#8217;s the democrats and other liberals who don&#8217;t know anything about the constitution except the first and second amendments (and then using that to argue for the abolition of the second).  My favorite: the 10th amendment.  Oh well, I guess it depends on where you go.</p>
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		By: theshortearedowl		</title>
		<link>https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/11/15/tea-party-shows-its-first-sign/#comment-526534</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[theshortearedowl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;videos showing small animals being slowly crushed to death by women, using their bare feet or high heeled shoes&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Tea Party&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Too much crazy in one post... brain shutting down...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>videos showing small animals being slowly crushed to death by women, using their bare feet or high heeled shoes</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Tea Party</p></blockquote>
<p>Too much crazy in one post&#8230; brain shutting down&#8230;</p>
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