Comments on: Djagechyer Deer?

By: Sean

Sean — Wed, 10 Nov 2010 07:25:51 +0000

Soooo…About the wolf poop…Might be bad for dogs.

By: Stephanie Z

Stephanie Z — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 05:08:50 +0000

John, if you want to go hunting for the thrill, I don’t want you out there. We hunt for (sustainable) meat and to control the population of animals whose main predators we’ve killed or chased off.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 05:00:10 +0000

Gord, thank you for your comments and contributions. It has been fun.

By: John R.

John R. — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 02:50:56 +0000

This is a very bizarre, yet somewhat enlightening article for me, being a kid living in an area that seems very far from the area described in the post. Here in my hometown, I would consider the closest thing to hunting to be accidentally shooting your dog with a little, plastic BB gun. It seems like the common feeling around here, at least, is that hunting is inhumane and seems to cause more harm than it does good, as was supported in the post by the incidents regarding unintended fatalities and injuries related to hunting.
However, surely, there must be more than a couple of reasons that people go hunting despite the risks involved. Perhaps it is to reconnect with nature or family, or maybe itâ??s just to enjoy a tradition that has been passed down from generation to generation. Either way, I have trouble siding with my peers here at home. Personally, in reality, I actually would like to try going hunting some day, maybe then I could get a sense for the excitement and thrill of the activity. So really, I am curious to figure out why do you or people you know go hunting?

By: Gord

Gord — Tue, 09 Nov 2010 00:31:27 +0000

Get help, Laden. You really are a piece of shit.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:43:10 +0000

Gord: “What we have hear is you defending a murderer because his victims were white and he wasn’t. ”

Actually, what we have here is me saying “… there is no doubt that Vang, … mercilessly attacked his victims. … Vang should not have done what he did ” but you not being able to handle the complexities of life.

Yes, it is true that Vang was much like, for instance, a lot of US veterans who had been put through the meat grinder he had been put through. He had a history of violence (though calling him “a violent man” is a bit inaccurate if we want to stick with the facts) and there are reports of domestic abuse. I wonder how much violence and domestic abuse occurs among the average randomly chosen group of 20 Hmong men of his age? Of the average randomly chosen group of 20 white men of that age who live in the region of Wisconsin/Minnesota in question?

Noe of which being relevant to the fact that they tried to harass, and even shoot the “gook” and then it turned out that the gook happened to be an unstable combat hardened highly trained special forces officer with serious PTSD who had probably tracked down and killed dozens of armed soldiers in a much more difficult forest in his day. Ooops. They laid their racist shit on the wrong guy, on the wrong day.

Let that be a lesson to you, Gord. My suggestion: Stay anonymous on the internet and maybe you won’t get our ass blowd up by the Mossleman.

By: Greg Laden

Greg Laden — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:32:46 +0000

Now what’s with the shotguns? Are there really people so dumb as to go hunting deer with shotguns? Even if you used a solid slug it’s nowhere near as good as a 0.30 of some sort – or even a 60lb bow for that matter.

You can’t use a rifle in about half of Minnesota. That’s true in lots of states.

By: gwen

gwen — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 22:20:03 +0000

I remember reading about the Vang case. It sounded like a case of being the ‘wrong’ race. It brings to mind the case in Michigan a few years ago, of a group of men beating a young Asian man to death, because they thought he was Japanese (he wasn’t). The men got off BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT HE WAS JAPANESE! Presumably, had he been Japanese, they would have been convicted. Something like this also happened in Oregon with a young Ethiopian man who they thought was African American. Of course we have the case of Oscar Grant in the Bay Area, a man who took BART New Years Day because he intended to drink and party and wanted to be responsible. He got into a drunken altercation with another group of partyers who reported it to the BART POLICE. There were no injuries and not further contact. The BART police should have just checked it out instead of escalating it. They were drunk, and behaved like drunk men. It was a simple case of excessive force in the beginning followed by the officer pulling his gun and killing Mr. Grant. While Grant was no angel, The officers held most of the blame for what occurred. The officer involved was just sentenced to two years with time served. The justice system is not always just.

By: MadScientist

MadScientist — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:59:33 +0000

Earlier this year some Australian (and in Australia) shot and killed a two-legged deer whom he and his conspirator knew – it wasn’t clear from news report what color jacket the deer was wearing. I wonder if anyone was charged over the “accident”.

Lots of accidents – pretty typical year then. Still a lot of folks with guns and no clue.

By: Gord

Gord — Mon, 08 Nov 2010 21:47:51 +0000

What we have hear is you defending a murderer because his victims were white and he wasn’t.

In his version of the story Vang admitted pursuing and shooting unarmed people multiple times in the back. That’s not self defense.

In court under cross examination Vang was asked if his victims deserved to die. He said only three did: Robert Crotteau, “because he was the one who confronted me and called me names”; Joseph Crotteau, “because he accused me of giving him the finger and tried to cut in front of me to stop me from leaving”; and Allan Laski, because “he had a gun”. That doesn’t sound like self defense, that sounds like a violent, unstable man – and Vang had a history of violence and instability, ask his wife – lashing out in a murderous rage.