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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You must be from Alberta.]]></description>
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		By: Canadian Capitalist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Canadian Capitalist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve lived with firearms all of my life. I shot my first ruffed grouse at the age of 12. My brother and I constantly occupied ourselves with target practice using pellet guns. When we became of legal hunting age we would go right from high school (with the 4x4 pickup I worked for)to the river marsh to hunt ducks. There was three of us that hunted together all the time which meant there was always three twelve guage shotguns in the window rack, no case or trigger locks and the door was never locked. At times we would take our guns right into school so we could work on them in &quot;Woodworking Class&quot;. There was probably about a dozen of us hard core hunters that brought their guns to school to work on. Machine Shop and Wood Working always required projects and we had them with our guns. 
WHAT THE F _ _ K changed in life today???? I&#039;ll tell you what changed...more liberal influence, people got soft and pathetically stupid. We became infected with multiculturalism and political correctness. The liberals  guaranteed the vote by allowing a deluge of &quot;non-traditonal&quot; immigrants. They brought with them a hate filled philosophy and destructive culture that knew only the &quot;GUN&quot; The phony liberals knew that these primitive tribes could not be allowed firearms but they couldn&#039;t discriminate by preventing them from owning weapons so they tried to take them from all of us. Register first and confiscate later. 
With respect to &quot;packing&quot;. The only person that ends up dead is the one that deserves it...nobody else. Legitimate firearm&#039;s owners are the safest most trustworthy members of society there are. The world is a different place, this country is a different place. At one time we didn&#039;t have to worry about our neighbors because we were all Westernized...unlike today we don&#039;t know what culture wants to do what...to us.  Pack to survive.
Canadian Capitalist   ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve lived with firearms all of my life. I shot my first ruffed grouse at the age of 12. My brother and I constantly occupied ourselves with target practice using pellet guns. When we became of legal hunting age we would go right from high school (with the 4&#215;4 pickup I worked for)to the river marsh to hunt ducks. There was three of us that hunted together all the time which meant there was always three twelve guage shotguns in the window rack, no case or trigger locks and the door was never locked. At times we would take our guns right into school so we could work on them in &#8220;Woodworking Class&#8221;. There was probably about a dozen of us hard core hunters that brought their guns to school to work on. Machine Shop and Wood Working always required projects and we had them with our guns.<br />
WHAT THE F _ _ K changed in life today???? I&#8217;ll tell you what changed&#8230;more liberal influence, people got soft and pathetically stupid. We became infected with multiculturalism and political correctness. The liberals  guaranteed the vote by allowing a deluge of &#8220;non-traditonal&#8221; immigrants. They brought with them a hate filled philosophy and destructive culture that knew only the &#8220;GUN&#8221; The phony liberals knew that these primitive tribes could not be allowed firearms but they couldn&#8217;t discriminate by preventing them from owning weapons so they tried to take them from all of us. Register first and confiscate later.<br />
With respect to &#8220;packing&#8221;. The only person that ends up dead is the one that deserves it&#8230;nobody else. Legitimate firearm&#8217;s owners are the safest most trustworthy members of society there are. The world is a different place, this country is a different place. At one time we didn&#8217;t have to worry about our neighbors because we were all Westernized&#8230;unlike today we don&#8217;t know what culture wants to do what&#8230;to us.  Pack to survive.<br />
Canadian Capitalist   </p>
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		By: John		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 01:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a sensative issue, this is why we live in the USA and get arguments for all sides.  My point is alittle more broad.  1.  Our Law Enforcement cannot control all of the crime nor take care of the law abiding public, case in point the gang problems in our cities. Police give up when there is gang involvement its to large to controll.  2nd we need to take care of our own. Belive me when I tell you during a home invasion you need to protect yourself and family.  Weather you do it with a gun or not is your peragative.  Just remember thieves will always have guns, will you?  Stick to the gang issue in the US its out of control, look at Arizona they need military help with the cartels, waht message is being sent to all of the ethnic gangs?  There are rumors they (gangs) are joining forces to move more product (drugs).  As our economy gets worse crime is on the rise, when was the last time you noticied your police force getting larger?  If the lawless played by the rules we would not need to arm ourselves----they don&#039;t.            ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a sensative issue, this is why we live in the USA and get arguments for all sides.  My point is alittle more broad.  1.  Our Law Enforcement cannot control all of the crime nor take care of the law abiding public, case in point the gang problems in our cities. Police give up when there is gang involvement its to large to controll.  2nd we need to take care of our own. Belive me when I tell you during a home invasion you need to protect yourself and family.  Weather you do it with a gun or not is your peragative.  Just remember thieves will always have guns, will you?  Stick to the gang issue in the US its out of control, look at Arizona they need military help with the cartels, waht message is being sent to all of the ethnic gangs?  There are rumors they (gangs) are joining forces to move more product (drugs).  As our economy gets worse crime is on the rise, when was the last time you noticied your police force getting larger?  If the lawless played by the rules we would not need to arm ourselves&#8212;-they don&#8217;t.            </p>
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		By: jose		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, but the idea of buying guns to defend oneself against the government is just hilarious.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but the idea of buying guns to defend oneself against the government is just hilarious.</p>
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		By: jose		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 13:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Gun control freaks scare me sometimes. They make me wonder what their plans are for us after they disarm us.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

How about living happier and safer and a little less paranoid, like, you know, the rest of the industrialized world?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Gun control freaks scare me sometimes. They make me wonder what their plans are for us after they disarm us.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>How about living happier and safer and a little less paranoid, like, you know, the rest of the industrialized world?</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 00:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Warren, I have similar feelings. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warren, I have similar feelings. </p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 19:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greg:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;[T]here is a spectrum, with you on one part of it and not too far away the nut who shot the egger, and not too far away from that, the crazy old man down the street from me who shot a teenager dead a couple of years ago, etc.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sure there is, and it&#039;s not just gun-owners that are on it. You&#039;re getting into discussion of mental unbalance and misanthropy in general, which is no more relevant to firearm ownership than it is to ownership of any other kind of weapon.

To be fair, though, here&#039;s a little story. I mentioned upthread all the local terror that Obama was going to take away everyone&#039;s &lt;strike&gt;phallic symbols&lt;/strike&gt; firearms the day after he took office.

One of the gun shops here was selling Israeli-made AK-47 clones (rigged so they wouldn&#039;t fire full auto), and one of his customers said he was planning to come back later that day and buy ten of them, at $500 a pop. He wanted to be able to defend himself against the Big Bad Fed.

It&#039;s those gun owners, above all others, that make me feel I need protection. They scare me a lot more than random burglars, muggers, etc. And this town is absolutely crawling with them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;[T]here is a spectrum, with you on one part of it and not too far away the nut who shot the egger, and not too far away from that, the crazy old man down the street from me who shot a teenager dead a couple of years ago, etc.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure there is, and it&#8217;s not just gun-owners that are on it. You&#8217;re getting into discussion of mental unbalance and misanthropy in general, which is no more relevant to firearm ownership than it is to ownership of any other kind of weapon.</p>
<p>To be fair, though, here&#8217;s a little story. I mentioned upthread all the local terror that Obama was going to take away everyone&#8217;s <strike>phallic symbols</strike> firearms the day after he took office.</p>
<p>One of the gun shops here was selling Israeli-made AK-47 clones (rigged so they wouldn&#8217;t fire full auto), and one of his customers said he was planning to come back later that day and buy ten of them, at $500 a pop. He wanted to be able to defend himself against the Big Bad Fed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s those gun owners, above all others, that make me feel I need protection. They scare me a lot more than random burglars, muggers, etc. And this town is absolutely crawling with them.</p>
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		By: Greg Laden		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Laden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Straw man. That is not a requirement of my argument. Part of what I would like to see happen is a less gun-happy culture, and by less gun happy I don&#039;t me (necessarily) fewer legally owned and operated guns. I mean a culture where the idea of pulling a pistol out to &quot;defend yourself&quot; is NOT the first thing one thinks of, and thus, something like this insane event would be less likely.

Do you not understand that there is a spectrum, with you on one part of it and not too far away the nut who shot the egger, and not too far away from that, the crazy old man down the street from me who shot a teenager dead a couple of years ago, etc.?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straw man. That is not a requirement of my argument. Part of what I would like to see happen is a less gun-happy culture, and by less gun happy I don&#8217;t me (necessarily) fewer legally owned and operated guns. I mean a culture where the idea of pulling a pistol out to &#8220;defend yourself&#8221; is NOT the first thing one thinks of, and thus, something like this insane event would be less likely.</p>
<p>Do you not understand that there is a spectrum, with you on one part of it and not too far away the nut who shot the egger, and not too far away from that, the crazy old man down the street from me who shot a teenager dead a couple of years ago, etc.?</p>
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		By: Jake Boone		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake Boone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;&#039;Could you clarify?&#039; .. I did, in the comment you seem to be ingoring.&quot;

If I&#039;m ignoring any of your comments, I&#039;m not doing it on purpose.  Likewise, my intent is not to engage in any semantic games.  Are you referring to #59, where you list some things that are &quot;on the table&quot; from previous conversations?  If so, I didn&#039;t assume that &quot;on the table&quot; and &quot;Greg&#039;s opinions&quot; were necessarily the same thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8216;Could you clarify?&#8217; .. I did, in the comment you seem to be ingoring.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m ignoring any of your comments, I&#8217;m not doing it on purpose.  Likewise, my intent is not to engage in any semantic games.  Are you referring to #59, where you list some things that are &#8220;on the table&#8221; from previous conversations?  If so, I didn&#8217;t assume that &#8220;on the table&#8221; and &#8220;Greg&#8217;s opinions&#8221; were necessarily the same thing.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 06:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[J sub D, your point of view might bear more weight if there were a preponderance of evidence that we have an effective, dependable rehabilitation system in place for prisoners. Given that many prisons seem more focused on punishment than rehabilitation, I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s a valid conclusion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J sub D, your point of view might bear more weight if there were a preponderance of evidence that we have an effective, dependable rehabilitation system in place for prisoners. Given that many prisons seem more focused on punishment than rehabilitation, I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s a valid conclusion.</p>
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