Comments on: “I’m going to stop calling you a white man, and I’m going to ask you to stop calling me a black man.” https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/ Tue, 02 Nov 2010 06:14:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.6 By: Queef https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525597 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 06:14:01 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525597 Yeah, ’cause racism and socioeconomic problems related to race go away when you stop talking about them, Morgan.

]]> By: scidog https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525596 Sun, 31 Oct 2010 05:09:34 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525596 me at five years old.”Mom if there is a mothers day and a fathers day why is there no kids day”..Mom–“every day is kids day”.

]]> By: Torbjörn Larsson, OM https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525595 Sun, 31 Oct 2010 04:29:19 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525595

MORGAN FREEMAN FOR PRESIDENT

Seconded, especially if it is for the first President of The World.

]]> By: John S. Wilkins https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525594 Sun, 31 Oct 2010 01:15:29 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525594 One of the things about teaching just history is that majority attitudes to minorities is part of it, and should be taught. The downside to X history is that it relegates other exclusionary social practices to the background (“sure the Irish and Jews were treated badly, but this is black history!”).

]]> By: Greg Laden https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525593 Sun, 31 Oct 2010 01:07:25 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525593 No way his name could be chip, but I get your point.

I’m sure X history month, or Y awareness day serves the purpose of drawing attention to issues that are being ignored (often willfully).

I live in a pretty progress (despite our governors) state, but a pretty white state (despite our non-white people) culturally. I think Black History is included in the curriculum and taught fairly well and the new standards will do this more. However, it isn’t really there yet. I saw an amazing example of black history developed at a science magnet school in St. Paul: The science of the underground railroad (which “terminated” in Saint Paul, btw). It was quite amazing. When I see one or two examples of that in every school to which stdents would be exposed across K-8, for instance, then we’ll be there (this was a six week project, iirc).

(That was a history class in a science magnet school)

If Minnesota is not there yet, and it isn’t (but it is doing OK), then I’m pretty sure some other places are less there. We probably still need Black History Month.

Here, we have the additional problem that the mainstream traditional white culture especially in rural areas is pretty anti-Indian. The so called “Sioux Uprising” was an appalling event, and a polarizing one, just post dating the Civil War, and is remarkably still part of the cultural memory here.

If only the Chippewa/Ojibwe had actually gone along with the Sioux, as they considered … maybe I’d be blogging in Anishinaabe …

]]> By: Victor https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525592 Sun, 31 Oct 2010 00:52:09 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525592 A) Unfortunately that is what happens, as long as there is a black history month it will not be seen as part of the whole of American history and we (black people) will continue to be seen as other than American, as can be seen in the vehemence directed at our current president, his name could be Chip, and there would still be a tea party upset about some aspect of his character. B) The inventor of black history month had the intent that eventually black history month would be phased out in favor of black history being included in, and taught as, American history. I completely agree with the elimination of black history month, and look forward to the time when that will be possible, but I don’t think now is that time.

]]> By: Anonymous https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525591 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 21:15:24 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525591 I agree that black history is American history, but I don’t think having a Black History Month is the same as “relegating” black history to a single month. I’d say the intent is to provide a time to focus on the importance and influence black people have had in history. What’s wrong with that? Why isn’t there a white history month? Because that’s the default of American history, like it or not. As much as I support people taking a step back and considering why they do or don’t do things critically and ensuring it’s all for the right reasons, I’m not on board with MF on this one.

]]> By: theshortearedowl https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525590 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:43:09 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525590 “Which month is White History month?”

MORGAN FREEMAN FOR PRESIDENT

]]> By: P. Locans https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525589 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:32:58 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525589 We definitely need a white history month. I may not be pretty, though.

]]> By: NewEnglandBob https://gregladen.com/blog/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525588 Sat, 30 Oct 2010 18:39:01 +0000 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2010/10/30/im-going-to-stop-calling-you-a/#comment-525588 I like it. It is not easy to fluster Mike Wallace. He has a good point.

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